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re: Trump tweet about Putin
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:23 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:23 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I don't support them or at least what they become.
They started just as they have 'become'
You are nothing but a race baiting troll
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Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:23 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Is that what's eating you Bucky?
I just can't wait to see him pat himself on the back with a tweet back after his first presidential address.
Is it worse in a tweet or in a press conference?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:25 pm to AlaTiger
The liberal media is the propaganda arm of George Soros and and the Alinsky liberals who seek to divide and conquer America by creating a victim mentality among a conglomerate of minorities. They stir up these minorities with ideas of vast oppression until they become rabid dogs who eat this country from the inside out. Nothing that Putin or the Russians could do could compare to the cancer that is Liberalism.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:25 pm to Lsupimp
It seems that every single thing you accuse me of is exactly what you have been doing.
Personal insult? I'm pretty sure I am reflecting back to you what you said to me. I'm sorry you don't see it.
I don't think I'm the "last principled man in America." You are again putting word in my mouth to fit your narrative. I hate that this board has become a place where you are either an unabashed Trump supporter or you are a Leftist and that there is no in between. How does that make me prideful or vainglorious? I'd just like some give and take and some decent discourse.
I have to say that I am a conservative because if I don't praise Trump all day then people say I am a Leftist. It is a totally false assertion. If being a Conservative means supporting Trump without question, then the word has lost meaning and no, I'm not a conservative anymore. Fine. If he is the definition of conservative, then I am not that.
I've been criticizing Obama throughout his whole presidency. I still do. No one notices because everyone agrees. When I criticize Trump, the board goes ballistic because they can't stand to hear it. So, it stands out. I criticize Trump because he hijacked my political party and ideological perspective for himself. That is something I oppose.
Saying I'm not going to just go along to get along with Trump is not being "vainglorious." It's like you found a new word and want to use it over and over again. If you have to be "vainglorious" to not just fall in line with Trump, perhaps the most prideful, braggadocios man to ever win the presidency, perhaps the categories have been totally skewed by Trump himself. If it is humility that you want, you have backed the wrong horse. Again, you are accusing others of everything that you support. And, I'm not telling lies. You've gone all in for Trump without reservation. You didn't used to be that way. Now, you are.
Here is the one place where I would truly like to apologize. I totally respect your intelligence and I do not doubt that you came to your opinion on Trump honestly. I don't think that it is impossible to support Trump honestly and I don't think you haven't thought this through. If I asserted that, I apologize. I'm only interacting with you because I respect you. Otherwise, I'd let it go.
I disagree with Trump on a lot of things. I'm not "melting." I'm totally calm internally and don't think the sky is falling, per se. I disagree with him. If I am insulting his supporters, I also apologize. I've been called one name after another in this thread and I'm pretty sure that I haven't gotten offended. I choose not to curse on this board and call people names. I end up tying my hands behind my back in the insult wars that happen here, and sometimes I slip up, but my general attempt is to not insult people personally but rather to call out inane arguments and to disagree.
If I have insulted anyone here personally - you included - I sincerely apologize. When you're getting called names over and over, it is hard to keep it all straight. But, that was not my intention.
Good advice that is worth following every day. I will try. I don't think that daring to express an opinion is being full of one's self - and I also don't think that I have to sit at your feet and can only have the views that you have - but, I'll tell you this. I'll think about what you've said and take it under consideration. Deal?
Personal insult? I'm pretty sure I am reflecting back to you what you said to me. I'm sorry you don't see it.
I don't think I'm the "last principled man in America." You are again putting word in my mouth to fit your narrative. I hate that this board has become a place where you are either an unabashed Trump supporter or you are a Leftist and that there is no in between. How does that make me prideful or vainglorious? I'd just like some give and take and some decent discourse.
I have to say that I am a conservative because if I don't praise Trump all day then people say I am a Leftist. It is a totally false assertion. If being a Conservative means supporting Trump without question, then the word has lost meaning and no, I'm not a conservative anymore. Fine. If he is the definition of conservative, then I am not that.
I've been criticizing Obama throughout his whole presidency. I still do. No one notices because everyone agrees. When I criticize Trump, the board goes ballistic because they can't stand to hear it. So, it stands out. I criticize Trump because he hijacked my political party and ideological perspective for himself. That is something I oppose.
Saying I'm not going to just go along to get along with Trump is not being "vainglorious." It's like you found a new word and want to use it over and over again. If you have to be "vainglorious" to not just fall in line with Trump, perhaps the most prideful, braggadocios man to ever win the presidency, perhaps the categories have been totally skewed by Trump himself. If it is humility that you want, you have backed the wrong horse. Again, you are accusing others of everything that you support. And, I'm not telling lies. You've gone all in for Trump without reservation. You didn't used to be that way. Now, you are.
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That you refuse to give me the courtesy of respecting that I have arrived at my opinion about Trump honestly and to imply that principled support of Trump is impossible, again speaks to your moral vanity.
Here is the one place where I would truly like to apologize. I totally respect your intelligence and I do not doubt that you came to your opinion on Trump honestly. I don't think that it is impossible to support Trump honestly and I don't think you haven't thought this through. If I asserted that, I apologize. I'm only interacting with you because I respect you. Otherwise, I'd let it go.
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You have gone from melting incessantly about Trump to insulting his supporters , all before he is ever sworn in. Your Never-Trump sanctimony is played out and your hyper-criticism just screams of self-regard. Get over yourself.
I disagree with Trump on a lot of things. I'm not "melting." I'm totally calm internally and don't think the sky is falling, per se. I disagree with him. If I am insulting his supporters, I also apologize. I've been called one name after another in this thread and I'm pretty sure that I haven't gotten offended. I choose not to curse on this board and call people names. I end up tying my hands behind my back in the insult wars that happen here, and sometimes I slip up, but my general attempt is to not insult people personally but rather to call out inane arguments and to disagree.
If I have insulted anyone here personally - you included - I sincerely apologize. When you're getting called names over and over, it is hard to keep it all straight. But, that was not my intention.
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Get over yourself.
Good advice that is worth following every day. I will try. I don't think that daring to express an opinion is being full of one's self - and I also don't think that I have to sit at your feet and can only have the views that you have - but, I'll tell you this. I'll think about what you've said and take it under consideration. Deal?
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:26 pm to AlaTiger
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How is Trump not making the United States a vassal state of Russia?
Dear lord baby jesus please allow these melts to continue, I've not been this entertained since I marathon watched the last season of Breaking Bad.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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A US-Russian coalition approaching each of these challenges would be a real eye-opener for targets of our shared objectives.
Granted Russia may not cooperate. Russia has proven in the past to be unreliable. But I don't see harm in giving Trump a sit-down or two with Putin before calling for his scalp.
You act like the Donald is going to give stuff away to Putin. That is not his style.
I'm all for that. Sounds like a good plan.
Praising Putin at every turn is not necessary, in my opinion. And, it weakens us in the long run. I'd rather we develop policies that are sane and then implement them fairly and consistently than play partisan games right now. And, yes, I think Obama is being Obama and it is a mess - just like his moves against Israel earlier this week. Disaster.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:29 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:How many first-person pronouns do you think we'll see in that address?
I just can't wait to see him pat himself on the back with a tweet back after his first presidential address.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Trump will say we more times than Odrama has in eight years.
How many first-person pronouns do you think we'll see in that address?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:31 pm to texashorn
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You haven't been briefed, either. I trust Trump over you. Get off your high horse and stop conflating a relatively diplomatic gesture by Trump on Twitter, to defuse an Obama unfounded allegation that has put foreign relations into a roil... with "consorting with the enemy."
I'm just citing U.S. Intelligence agencies. You don't believe them. Fair enough. But, don't act like I'm sitting in my mother's basement just making stuff up.
I'm not on a "high horse." Criticizing a public official is being on a "high horse"? Good grief. What in the world?
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conflating a relatively diplomatic gesture by Trump on Twitter, to defuse an Obama unfounded allegation that has put foreign relations into a roil.
Um, okay. You do realize that he is the President-Elect, right? He can put the Twitter down if he wants to solve global problems. Or weigh in. Geez.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:34 pm to AlaTiger
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I'm just citing U.S. Intelligence agencies.
Saying they "believe", "assume" and "think" Russia did anything nefarious in the election and not even announcing it publicly but through 3rd party sources in the media is not evidence and a good source of authority.
If you're going to accuse a major world power of a crime, you have to have extraordinary evidence and announce it publicly.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:43 pm to Dale51
But....but....OMG! We are a vassal State under Russia! OMG!
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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And you all thought Obama divided this country? Wait to you see what Trump does. .
Well the ones on the other side can go to hell. There will be a war in this country but it wont be from an invading army. The enemy is already here.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:55 pm to AlaTiger
You declared as a NeverTrumper. You told us for months why he could never win. You insulted Trump supporters on a daily basis. You were wrong.After the election, You promised to give him the benefit of the doubt. Instead You now display ridiculous levels of Moral vanity by being cartoonishly hyper-critical of Trump. This criticism is characterized by vainglorious displays of moral preening. You condescend to Trump supporters and impugn their motives. You assume the absolute worst about President-elect Trump using the most sanctimonious language while assuring the board that you are "the Conservative" while they are but mere unprincipled hacks. When your increasingly insufferable rants are called out you get really , really mad. Is that about right?
Listen to me. Winning Political coalitions requires pragmatism and Principle. That you do not see the greatest positive change-agent since 1980 standing right in front of you is because you do not understand the value of the former and are drunk on the idea that you alone are drinking the latter. When I say you need to get over yourself,I am not insulting you, I am doing you a favor.
Listen to me. Winning Political coalitions requires pragmatism and Principle. That you do not see the greatest positive change-agent since 1980 standing right in front of you is because you do not understand the value of the former and are drunk on the idea that you alone are drinking the latter. When I say you need to get over yourself,I am not insulting you, I am doing you a favor.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:05 pm to AlaTiger
quote:I can respect that.
I'm all for that. Sounds like a good plan.
Praising Putin at every turn is not necessary, in my opinion.
Knowing Trump's emphasis on negotiation though (and his success at it), I'd lay heavy odds Tillerson and others have advised him as to successes and failures in dealings with Putin. My supposition is those discussions are detailed, pragmatic, and have heavily influenced Trump's approach.
Think about it this way. When it comes to the US, Putin may well have a huge inferiority complex. Both he and Trump are keenly aware of the huge economic disparity of the US vs Russia. Apple's Market Cap by itself has in recent times exceeded value of the entire Russian Stock Market. Maybe Trump's information is that stroking the guy a bit could yield huge dividends. Speaking softly but carrying a big stick so to speak.
Obviously I'm just speculating. But in "The Art of the Deal" negotiation starting points are critical. Trump is meticulous about that. I don't see him needlessly pissing away initial deal positioning with anyone, much less Russia.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:15 pm to AlaTiger
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Have we EVER seen an incoming president visibly and publicly attack the current president by siding with a foreign dictator against him? Ever?
Normally I would agree, but your Obama told us that Russia was a non issue. Remember his 80's called comment ?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:17 pm to AlaTiger
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He is siding with Russia over the sitting U.S. president.
I cant think of someone I would not side with over Obama.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:19 pm to AlaTiger
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foreign dictator
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:23 pm to AlaTiger
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Have we EVER seen an incoming president visibly and publicly attack the current president by siding with a foreign dictator against him? Ever?
Well, if you want to go that route- Have we ever seen an outgoing President do so much before going out of office to undermine an incoming president? Obama showing again how much he ignores the voters of this country & continues his personal agenda. I have never seen a man so anti-American as Obama. HIs last day can't get here soon enough. I love that Trump is calling out Obama, because he is the real enemy of the American people- Barrack INSANE Obama. Screw Obama!
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:25 pm to AlaTiger
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I expect our incoming president to care about protecting our democracy against any foreign interference.
Like Obama interference in other elections? Nope, not like that. They did the job the US press should have done (If they in fact did anything at all) . They exposed the truth.
Oh the horror, how can we let someone get away with such a horrible act.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:26 pm to Lsupimp
Pimp, you assume way to much and are pretty spectacularly wrong in your assessment of me. I don't think that I alone am principled. I never said or thought that. I just think that my principles are legitimate and aren't up for sale. There are a lot of people like that. I know a lot of them. I don't think I'm special or different from them in any way.
I only say I'm a conservative when called a Leftist for not supporting Trump in everything he says and does.
Your insults of me are duly noted. Thanks for the constructive feedback. I'll take them under consideration and try to make sure I communicate more clearly.
As for being "really, really mad," I cannot ever remember a time I felt a bit of anger from something that was said here. Why would I? That is stupid. It's a message board.
I think you might be taking our discussions here too seriously and you might be the impugning motives far more than is called for. But, whatever. You are convinced you are right. I'll let you rest in your assumptions.
I only say I'm a conservative when called a Leftist for not supporting Trump in everything he says and does.
Your insults of me are duly noted. Thanks for the constructive feedback. I'll take them under consideration and try to make sure I communicate more clearly.
As for being "really, really mad," I cannot ever remember a time I felt a bit of anger from something that was said here. Why would I? That is stupid. It's a message board.
I think you might be taking our discussions here too seriously and you might be the impugning motives far more than is called for. But, whatever. You are convinced you are right. I'll let you rest in your assumptions.
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