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re: Tuck Just Confirmed What I Told You.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:17 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:17 pm to BoarEd
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we expect the Government through the CDC, and if necessary FEMA, to protect us from pandemics. These things don't square.
Well, particularly an epidemic/pandemic from an external location is exactly the kind of things mandated "provide for the common defense" - which this is most certainly an arguable part of. That's what the nation cannot do, collectively or individually without something like a central coordinating organization for all of that.
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I just believe that of all the social programs we run in this country, medical care is the one you can actually justify.
We have a social safety net for the elderly's healthcare and it is bankrupting the government. How will expanding that to include everyone be even remotely fiscally possible, much less a justifiable expenditure of treasury?
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if this thing becomes nasty we will be expecting the Government to step in and save the day.
With quarantines and bottled water, emergency supplies, etc., surely. But not health care. Look at where the government IS involved with health care - the VA. Now, tell me - if you are actually sick, for real, and you were eligible for VA care would you go there, or the nice, clean, competent "for profit" hospital down the street?
And please, be honest.
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Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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Well, particularly an epidemic/pandemic from an external location is exactly the kind of things mandated "provide for the common defense" -
We have drones these days. People are becoming less and less necessary to "provide for the common defense."
Pandemics are a medical issue.
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Look at where the government IS involved with health care - the VA. Now, tell me - if you are actually sick, for real, and you were eligible for VA care would you go there, or the nice, clean, competent "for profit" hospital down the street?
I am eligible for VA healthcare. I'm a disabled veteran. Last time I had to go to the hospital I went to an outside provider and the VA paid for it.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:26 pm to BoarEd
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We have drones these days. People are becoming less and less necessary to "provide for the common defense."
Okay - stay focused. You're not making sense. "Who" has drones? The DoD. A federal agency. Performing a federal function. "The common defense." And, a MQ-1C isn't artificially intelligent or self-sufficient. Human beings operate, maintain, service, load, direct, etc., all its functions.
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Last time I had to go to the hospital I went to an outside provider and the VA paid for it.
So, I take it you prefer the "for profit" hospital to a VA facility? Your answer wasn't 100% clear on that.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:27 pm to Champagne
Imagine listening to Tucker Carlson. He can’t go two sentences without saying blatantly incorrect shite.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:35 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, I take it you prefer the "for profit" hospital to a VA facility? Your answer wasn't 100% clear on that.
Nah. I don't have any problems with the VA. They've been good to me. Last time I had to go though I didn't want to wait for an appointment so instead I went outside the VA system and they covered the cost.
Let's take a look at some of the synonyms of the word "promote" real quick though.
Bolster, Champion, Build Up, Develop, etc. That's just a quick glance. There's a lot more of them. I'm not so sure that the Constitution doesn't mandate the government provide for the general welfare of the people after all.
And you know what? I know how the rest of this discussion is going to go before we have it so I'm just gonna say we will have to agree to disagree. It's off topic anyways and I apologize to the OP for derailing the thread.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:39 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Not true numbers.
Well, 2.1% of the people that get the Coronoavirus die.
Most accurate that we have currently is South Korea, which at this point is trending downwards and was at 0.74% over the past 24 hrs.
Watch the SK numbers.
They have already tested over 70,000 people.
That will give us the most relevant/accurate info.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 10:28 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:Still don't understand the world around you huh?
Lakeboy7
What are you? 10-11 yrs. old?
Posted on 2/27/20 at 10:58 pm to BoarEd
God damn you are a fricking idiot.
Who the frick quarantines most people in world history from something as harmless as the FLU? Excuse me, LESS deadly
This board is off the wall nutter. Those doctors that died in the front lines in China would like to have a talk with you bitch. This is the type trash talk that is despicable. You don't have to be fear porn, but Jesus at least pay attention for fricks sake whacko.
Who the frick quarantines most people in world history from something as harmless as the FLU? Excuse me, LESS deadly
This board is off the wall nutter. Those doctors that died in the front lines in China would like to have a talk with you bitch. This is the type trash talk that is despicable. You don't have to be fear porn, but Jesus at least pay attention for fricks sake whacko.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:01 pm to Lakeboy7
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Thanks Trump
Says the guy who thinks studying gun violence is a good use of the CDC's time.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:07 pm to Scruffy
That isn't how you get a death ratio dumb arse.
You get total recovered and deaths and add those two together. Divide deaths by this number.
24 patients in South Korea have recovered and been discharged, 12 have died.
24+12=36.
12 (deaths)/36=33.33% death rate.
Why? Because these folks finished the race. Everyone is still waiting to finish. We don't know how their journey ends yet.
You get total recovered and deaths and add those two together. Divide deaths by this number.
24 patients in South Korea have recovered and been discharged, 12 have died.
24+12=36.
12 (deaths)/36=33.33% death rate.
Why? Because these folks finished the race. Everyone is still waiting to finish. We don't know how their journey ends yet.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:10 pm to Scruffy
quote:This is probably a valid point.
Most accurate that we have currently is South Korea, which at this point is trending downwards and was at 0.74% over the past 24 hrs.
Watch the SK numbers.
It does bear some adjustments, though...
how many people (South Korea or otherwise) go to the hospital at the first inkling of having the flu? I don't know, but I'm going on a hunch that step 1 is Tylenol Cold and Flu, step 2 maybe call in a couple days or so. Go see the doc only if that doesn't help.
Now, how many people are getting tested, come back positive for coronavirus, and aren't immediately quarantined and immediately hospitalized?
If you're in an isolation unit on IV meds, your survival rate should be pretty damn high.
We've yet to see coronavirus sweep the population and people sit at home, untreated. If/when that happens, then you can do a comparison with the flu.
For what it's worth, I haven't followed global healthcare measures that closely; but the Chinese reaction was a bit of an eye-opener. They definitely reacted as though something bad was out there. If not coronavirus, maybe something else at that lab, that they thought had gotten loose.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:15 am to Champagne
quote:I'm not a CDC fan. Under Obama, the CDC was unfortunately politicized. I said at the time there would be a long term price to pay.
CDC has already bungled the fight against COVID-19. Let's hope they can get their shite together.
So while Tucker is wrong regarding CDC's response to COVID-19, the CDC lacks credibility to effectively parry his attack.
COVID-19 is a previously unknown CV strain. Until it cleared China, useful information about it was limited. So in a very short time we've developed a vaccine prototype, a test kit design set for widespread distribution, and identified antiviral drugs which may be effective. For the first time ever, CDC recommended a travel ban. It was implemented early on.
So while there are plenty of reasons to criticize regarding CDC. This is not one.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:21 am to BoarEd
Protecting the country against foreign attack has nothing to do with general health care.
I am not talking about anybody being behind the virus. The virus itself is a foreign threat. That is one of the few things the government is supposed to do
I am not talking about anybody being behind the virus. The virus itself is a foreign threat. That is one of the few things the government is supposed to do
Posted on 2/28/20 at 5:13 am to Champagne
We have not had the cases in the US to learn much about it.
China has not allowed a lot of people in there to learn much about it.
How can they study and learn much about how to treat something not in the US. If it is, it is still unknown and pretty random at this point, and coming from people traveling between countries.
Trump stopped a lot of travel from China early on and was attacked for it. I guess we could shut down all foreign travel to and from the US. How should that go over. Stranding everyone where they are.
China has not allowed a lot of people in there to learn much about it.
How can they study and learn much about how to treat something not in the US. If it is, it is still unknown and pretty random at this point, and coming from people traveling between countries.
Trump stopped a lot of travel from China early on and was attacked for it. I guess we could shut down all foreign travel to and from the US. How should that go over. Stranding everyone where they are.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:27 am to ItTakesAThief
the CDC is not a government entity,it does receive govt money and big pharma money.the whole corona thing is a scare tactic to cause panic and crash the market,it seems that fox is playing along.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:37 am to Champagne
How have they bungled it? And I’m no supporter of trump. But why are people crazy enough to expect the state to protect them from everything?
That reliance on the state is far scarier than the actual virus.
That reliance on the state is far scarier than the actual virus.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:39 am to reo45
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God damn you are a fricking idiot.
Who the frick quarantines most people in world history from something as harmless as the FLU? Excuse me, LESS deadly
This board is off the wall nutter. Those doctors that died in the front lines in China would like to have a talk with you bitch. This is the type trash talk that is despicable. You don't have to be fear porn, but Jesus at least pay attention for fricks sake whacko.
This post isn't going to age well.
You may want to check the thread on Singapore and how recoveries are now outpacing new cases. 98 cases in Singapore -- 0 deaths.
15 cases in the US -- all but one either recovered or otherwise sent home to recover.
I am paying attention you dumb shite. And yes people are overhyping this thing. It isn't as deadly as they thought just a couple days ago. As more information comes in, the numbers continue to go down.
I understand that some of you guys would like to believe the sky is falling, but it isn't.
You come across as completely unhinged, man. I hope things get better for you.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 7:41 am
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:43 am to gthog61
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The virus itself is a foreign threat.
You could say the same thing for all viruses and nearly all illnesses in general.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 7:44 am
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