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re: two generations of Latin Americans hate Reagan and the GOP
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:03 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:03 am to bhtigerfan
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No shite. It's usually a choice between an anti-US left-wing/communist leader and a dictator who is at least friendly to the US. Who the frick do they think we should support? Morons.
In the case of Chile, we overthrew the democratically elected civilian president and installed a fascist army general.
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:04 am to Jim Rockford
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In the case of Chile, we overthrew the democratically elected civilian president and installed a fascist army general.
True. Although that wasn't under Reagan.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:10 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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So the GOP is screwed when Latin Americans come to the US and Ted Cruz and Rubio and George P. Bush can't do anything about it.
So what you are saying is the Democrats are selling out our country for votes..
News to me
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:13 am to Jim Rockford
Allende was democratically elected with less than 40% of the vote (installed by Parliament) and then condemned by the same Parliament that installed him within 3 years. They said he was destroying democracy. Pinochet obviously has his issues. But making Allende into a champion of democracy is laughable. The catalyst for the coup was an arms shipment from Cuba that was destined for pro-Allende paramilitary groups (a nice word for terrorists) in Chile.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:05 am to the808bass
We also looked the other way while Pinochet's secret police carried out a series of assassinations against expatriate Chilean dissidents, including one in Washington DC. LINK
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:16 am to Ralph_Wiggum
And yet Reagan granted amnesty and Bush got 44% of Latino vote.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:22 am to Jim Rockford
You didn't address anything I said.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:26 am to Ralph_Wiggum
I love these threads on claims and assumptions of people just b/c you talked to one person.
Or like the other thread about black people just b/c of some twitter interaction.
Or like the other thread about black people just b/c of some twitter interaction.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:32 am to the808bass
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You didn't address anything I said.
You set up a strawman that I said Allende was a champion of democracy. But he was democratically elected under their system, just like certain leaders in our recent past have been elected with less than a majority of the popular vote. And regardless of the catalyst, we did interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign country in the most egregious way possible, as we've been wont to do on many occasions in that hemisphere.
Now, how about the Letelier assassination?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:38 am to Jim Rockford
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But he was democratically elected under their system, just like certain leaders in our recent past have been elected with less than a majority of the popular vote.
And then he destroyed the democracy that elected him. There's still a huge pro-Pinochet faction in Chile. God knows why. But there is. And it's not just "the rich." And there's still a huge pro-Allende faction in Chile even after all of his destruction of Chile's democracy and economy. To portray these political disputes as simply rich versus poor is simplistic and incorrect.
As for Letelier, I'm not sure what you want me to say. I'm not a fan of Pinochet or of other countries assassinating their political opponents here in the US.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:44 am to the808bass
Nor did I say it was simply a rich vs poor situation. Regardless of the internals of the Chilean situation, it was for them to decide. We actively interfered in the affairs of a sovereign nation, as we have done many times in Central and South America, with consequences for our reputation. We may not have liked what Allende was doing, But it wasn't our call. We let our fear of communism blind us to every other consideration.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:00 am to Jim Rockford
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We may not have liked what Allende was doing, But it wasn't our call.
I agree. But it wasn't democracy. So let's quit using that word to describe Allende's government.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:25 am to Jim Rockford
Pinochet eventually did let them decide. There was an election held and he lost. The left's darling of the time, Castro, never allowed that. Cuba went from one of the most prosperous countries in Latin America to pitiful while Pinochet's Chile skyrocketed from near bottom to near the top.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:52 am to Al Dante
Maybe the American embargo on Cuba had a little to do with that.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 12:12 pm to Jim Rockford
A little. Maybe Castro's disastrous policies and refusing to hold an honest election for decades has a little more to do with it. Castro makes Pinochet look like a saint and the left makes glowing documentaries about Castro. Go figure.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 1:53 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
This is just a diversion from dealing with the twenty million illegals in our country! Just like the last fifty years , when all this conspired, for rich people, Dems and Reps!And left the American tax payers to pay for it! BS! A
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