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Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:17 pm to METAL
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You’re shifting from whether violations occurred to why they occurred.
I never said they didn’t start violating after Trump withdrew. My argument is we’re in this position right now due to Trump’s decisions. We had a working inspection regime before he trashed the agreement.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:18 pm to Decatur
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:19 pm to VolInBavaria
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:21 pm to Decatur
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So the claim that Iran has not violated any agreements is simply false unless you redefine agreement to mean something narrower than what the IAEA, the Board, and the E3 are actually referring to.
After we withdrew, yes the violations started.
You are acting like the Obama deal was only between the USA and Iran.
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The agreement was finalized in Vienna on 14 July 2015, between Iran and the P5+1 (the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC)—China, France, Russia, the U.K., U.S.—plus Germany)[a] together with the European Union.
So the US withdrawing did not void the agreement.
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On 1 July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium,[354] which the IAEA confirmed.[355] On 7 July, Iran announced that it had started to increase uranium enrichment beyond the agreed 3.67% limit. IAEA said its inspectors would verify Iran's actions. Zarif sent a letter to Mogherini notifying her about Iran's noncompliance
When the first recorded violation the agreement was still in place between Iran and the all of the signers except for the USA.
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On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's limitations
Iran said it would no longer abide by the deal but did not withdraw from the deal. So technically the deal is still in place which is further proof that Iran cannot be trusted.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:22 pm to Decatur
You’re making a causation argument, not a compliance one. Saying “we’re here because Trump withdrew” doesn’t remove Iran’s agency in what followed.
After the US left, Iran could have stayed within limits to isolate Washington diplomatically. Instead, it expanded enrichment, grew its stockpile, installed advanced centrifuges, and later restricted monitoring. Those were decisions made in Tehran, not automatic consequences.
You can argue Trump’s withdrawal was bad strategy. That’s fair. But it doesn’t make Iran’s violations inevitable or legally excused. Both sides made choices. One does not cancel the responsibility of the other.
Not to mention the deal was bad for the world in the first place.
After the US left, Iran could have stayed within limits to isolate Washington diplomatically. Instead, it expanded enrichment, grew its stockpile, installed advanced centrifuges, and later restricted monitoring. Those were decisions made in Tehran, not automatic consequences.
You can argue Trump’s withdrawal was bad strategy. That’s fair. But it doesn’t make Iran’s violations inevitable or legally excused. Both sides made choices. One does not cancel the responsibility of the other.
Not to mention the deal was bad for the world in the first place.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:29 pm to WeeWee
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You are acting like the Obama deal was only between the USA and Iran.
The US was the indispensable party. The deal died when Trump withdrew.
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So technically the deal is still in place which is further proof that Iran cannot be trusted.
Worthless paper after the US withdrew.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:33 pm to METAL
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You’re making a causation argument,
Yes!
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Saying “we’re here because Trump withdrew” doesn’t remove Iran’s agency in what followed.
They definitely have agency. The regime wants to survive.
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But it doesn’t make Iran’s violations inevitable
I believe it did.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:35 pm to Decatur
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You are acting like the Obama deal was only between the USA and Iran. The US was the indispensable party. The deal died when Trump withdrew. quote:So technically the deal is still in place which is further proof that Iran cannot be trusted. Worthless paper after the US withdrew.
Irrelevant. Iran is still in the deal and violating the crap out of it. Anyone who thinks the Islamic regime could be trusted or can be trusted to honor the agreement if we were in it is either lying to themselves or stupid.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:36 pm to WeeWee
Can the US be trusted? Every 4-8 years brings contradictory foreign policy choices. What good is an agreement signed with the US when the next administration is likely to unilaterally withdraw? Fact is the agreement was in place and being followed with verifiable inspections, but Trump was never going to allow an Obama achievement to stay in place, nor was Israel going to allow anything except the complete destruction of the Islamic government in Iran.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:40 pm to WeeWee
So we’re doing to this to hold Iran to an agreement that we are no longer a party to?
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:44 pm to Decatur
Iran’s current nuclear behavior is being assessed against its legal safeguards obligations, not just the JCPOA, and those obligations are still valid.
But again… I do not care about the missiles and nukes nearly as much as all the others reasons we have discussed.
But again… I do not care about the missiles and nukes nearly as much as all the others reasons we have discussed.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:47 pm to Decatur
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So we’re doing to this to hold Iran to an agreement that we are no longer a party to?
No we’re doing this to remove the Islamic regime from existence. I am issuing the JCPA to show that Obama and you were retards for thinking it would stop Iran.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:50 pm to WeeWee
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I am issuing the JCPA to show that Obama and you were retards for thinking it would stop Iran.
They were complying before we withdrew, yes?
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:55 pm to Decatur
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I am issuing the JCPA to show that Obama and you were retards for thinking it would stop Iran. They were complying before we withdrew, yes?
Our intelligence said no. IAEA said yes. Who do you trust more?
ETA: If your answer is an international agency run by the UN then you are a retard.
This post was edited on 2/26/26 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:56 pm to Decatur
Sure. They were complying with the horrific sweetheart deal before that.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 4:07 pm to WeeWee
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Our intelligence said no.
Link?
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WASHINGTON — President Trump agreed on Monday to certify again that Iran is complying with an international nuclear agreement that he has strongly criticized, but only after hours of arguing with his top national security advisers, briefly upending a planned announcement as a legal deadline loomed.
Mr. Trump has repeatedly condemned the deal brokered by President Barack Obama as a dangerous capitulation to Iran, but six months into his presidency he has not abandoned it. The decision on Monday was the second time his administration certified Iran’s compliance, and aides said a frustrated Mr. Trump had told his security team that he would not keep doing so indefinitely.
LINK
Posted on 2/26/26 at 4:11 pm to Decatur
Posted on 2/26/26 at 4:18 pm to GumboPot
Lol really?
Posted on 2/26/26 at 4:24 pm to Jbird
Trump gets to test out US drones in combat.
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