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re: US Air Force plane shot down
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:01 pm to BurningHeart
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:01 pm to BurningHeart
quote:
People think we're there just to be nice guys and don't understand the strategic value
That's a fair point, but our presence is not required for strategic purposes...
Other strategies can be employed to project the appearance of force
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:16 pm to BurningHeart
This will be good.
Explain the strategic value.
Also, when did Afghanistan become a Middle Eastern country?
Explain the strategic value.
Also, when did Afghanistan become a Middle Eastern country?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:29 pm to I B Freeman
quote:You know the purpose of this plane? We can go anywhere in the world that we desire.
What more information do I need to say we should get out of the Middle East???
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:30 pm to Jbird
they were also up there in the atmosphere with John Glenn
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:32 pm to Jbird
quote:Did either land in such shithole countries?
The mighty SR-71 and U-2 had those logos.
Markings mean nothing on planes 10 miles high, 3k mph, not visible even on radar, etc.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:34 pm to Redbone
quote:Meh that wasn't his point.
Did either land in such shithole countries?
quote:Neither do they really mean anything on short final.
Markings mean nothing on planes 10 miles high, 3k mph, not visible even on radar, etc.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:35 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:As much as I like the good people on this site I HIGHLY doubt any of us can do justice to this subject, either positively or negatively.
Explain the strategic value.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:38 pm to Jbird
quote:Agree to disagree. Such things are very visable to people with binoculars and there for the purpose of looking for such.
Neither do they really mean anything on short final.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:42 pm to Redbone
quote:Any aircraft flying in the SWA AOR is tracked to include flying out of places like the UAE and Qatar etc. Hell we got lazed flying over Italy on our way to Hillary's little Libya excursion and we were at 30,000 feet.
Agree to disagree. Such things are very visable to people with binoculars and there for the purpose of looking for such.
5 miles out your are at 3,000 feet typically unless you are doing a spiral in tactical approach.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:52 pm to Jbird
I'm extremely ignorant to the situation.
This plane was used for spying, correct? Does this mean that the plane doesn't check in with ATC? I just assumed all flights are logged in with ATC. I know that other US based flight companies still fly over the middle east. Wouldn't this plane being in the air space and not being checked in create issues? Also, does this plane take off from a base or an actual airport?
This plane was used for spying, correct? Does this mean that the plane doesn't check in with ATC? I just assumed all flights are logged in with ATC. I know that other US based flight companies still fly over the middle east. Wouldn't this plane being in the air space and not being checked in create issues? Also, does this plane take off from a base or an actual airport?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:55 pm to GeauxTime9
quote:Yes.
This plane was used for spying, correct?
quote:Depends on the location you are flying.
Does this mean that the plane doesn't check in with ATC?
quote:Probably a base.
Also, does this plane take off from a base or an actual airport?
quote:Yes, however, FAAO 7110.65 defines DUE REGARD as – a phase of flight wherein an aircraft commander of State-operated aircraft assumes responsibility to separate his/her aircraft from all other aircraft.
Wouldn't this plane being in the air space and not being checked in create issues?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:00 pm to Jbird
quote:
Jbird
Thanks for clarifying. What do you think happened to this plane?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:01 pm to GeauxTime9
quote:Hard to say, until an investigation is performed, black boxes etc. Could be a manpad, could be pilot error, or mechanical. Too soon to speculate really.
What do you think happened to this plane?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:05 pm to GeauxTime9
quote:How do we know this?
This plane was used for spying, correct?
I just heard on news they are saying it wasn't shot down.
If true, thread title needs changing.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:06 pm to Redbone
quote:Aircraft type with USAF marking would lead one to assume the mission type, not 100% but pretty close.
How do we know this?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:08 pm to Jbird
Gotta love having people on board that has knowledge of this stuff.
Good info Jbird.
Good info Jbird.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:11 pm to Redbone
Here is why ground pounders like this aircraft. The generic "spy" nomenclature still cracks me up.
There is an aircraft that is so unique, you can only find it in one place – not even the pilots who fly the aircraft can touch it until they are deployed to this specific location,” says a recent U.S. Air Force article.
That aircraft is the E-11A (Bombardier Global 6000 advanced ultra long-range business jets that have been modified by the U.S. Air Force to accomodate Battlefield Airborne Communications Node payload). All of the four U.S. Air Force’s E-11A aircraft with the BACN payload are assigned to the 430th Expeditionary Electronic Combat Squadron and operate solely out of Kandahar Airfield.
According to the U.S. Air Force, the BACN was developed in direct response to the communication shortfalls during Operation Red Wings, a joint U.S. military mission in Kunar Province, Afghanistan in 2005, famous following the success of the book and subsequent movie “Lone Survivor” by Marcus Luttrell, a former SEAL and the only surviving member of the mission. “Due to Afghanistan’s mountainous terrain and lack of existing communication infrastructure, serious communication challenges prevented the four-man SEAL patrol from effectively establishing contact with their combat operations center, leaving them vulnerable to the attacks that claimed the lives of 19 U.S. special operations service members.”
BACN “is like Wi-Fi in the sky,” explained U.S. Air Force Capt. Jacob Breth, 430th EECS pilot, in an official news release. LINK
There is an aircraft that is so unique, you can only find it in one place – not even the pilots who fly the aircraft can touch it until they are deployed to this specific location,” says a recent U.S. Air Force article.
That aircraft is the E-11A (Bombardier Global 6000 advanced ultra long-range business jets that have been modified by the U.S. Air Force to accomodate Battlefield Airborne Communications Node payload). All of the four U.S. Air Force’s E-11A aircraft with the BACN payload are assigned to the 430th Expeditionary Electronic Combat Squadron and operate solely out of Kandahar Airfield.
According to the U.S. Air Force, the BACN was developed in direct response to the communication shortfalls during Operation Red Wings, a joint U.S. military mission in Kunar Province, Afghanistan in 2005, famous following the success of the book and subsequent movie “Lone Survivor” by Marcus Luttrell, a former SEAL and the only surviving member of the mission. “Due to Afghanistan’s mountainous terrain and lack of existing communication infrastructure, serious communication challenges prevented the four-man SEAL patrol from effectively establishing contact with their combat operations center, leaving them vulnerable to the attacks that claimed the lives of 19 U.S. special operations service members.”
BACN “is like Wi-Fi in the sky,” explained U.S. Air Force Capt. Jacob Breth, 430th EECS pilot, in an official news release. LINK
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:35 pm to Jbird
Good info. Thanks.
And yes, us ground pounders had much appreciation for jet jockeys. They saved many American lives.
And yes, us ground pounders had much appreciation for jet jockeys. They saved many American lives.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:38 pm to Redbone
Yeah Data link stuff really resolves LOS problems!
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:42 pm to TchoupitoulasStreet
99.99999% chance the taliban didn’t do shite.
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