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re: US Military vs The Cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:41 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:41 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
Yeah I agree. I think we would definitely kill some cartel people, but only rando foot soldiers that are easily replaced.
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:41 pm to Flats
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I don't think we're worried about the teenagers in underwear bagging product. I'm not silly enough to think it would be a walk in the park but "cutting off the head of the snake" is a saying for a good reason.
Lol you don't think someone even worse ends up taking over? Happens all the time. This isn't Sicario
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:43 pm to JColtF
Make drug smuggling punishable by death. Drone strike the first groups and the physical drug trade basically stops across the border.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This happens somewhat regularly already, and we see what happens.
So Israel didn't make a dent with their recent campaign?
No, you can't make groups disappear but you can damn sure impact their influence.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:44 pm to JColtF
Can’t take a hoe with a nose ring serious
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:45 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
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Lol you don't think someone even worse ends up taking over? Happens all the time.
Then we should never kill any enemies of the US.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:46 pm to JColtF
Where did you find that?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:47 pm to Flats
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So Israel didn't make a dent with their recent campaign?
Bro this isn't some isolated area of land cornered off on 3 sides and the sea on the 4th. Israel basically leveled Gaza.
Even if Mexico would let us do that (and they won't), we can't level 1/3 of Mexico
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:47 pm to MizunoDude
Fast n’ Furious.
Thanks Obama!
Thanks Obama!
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:47 pm to JColtF
The heads of the major cartels are business men.
They want to avoid anything that impairs their business profits. And they understand that if they are no longer breathing, they will not be around to enjoy profits.
Which is exactly what will happen if certain cartels begin fricking with any American forces at the border. They realize this.
Sure, maybe some of the smaller groups might be stupid enough to FAFO, but I expect the major players will reign them in.
If a target is put on a cartel head(say using Delta)there's NOTHING that will stop that.
The US special forces are so much better trained and equipped.... it's a joke to even compare.
They want to avoid anything that impairs their business profits. And they understand that if they are no longer breathing, they will not be around to enjoy profits.
Which is exactly what will happen if certain cartels begin fricking with any American forces at the border. They realize this.
Sure, maybe some of the smaller groups might be stupid enough to FAFO, but I expect the major players will reign them in.
If a target is put on a cartel head(say using Delta)there's NOTHING that will stop that.
The US special forces are so much better trained and equipped.... it's a joke to even compare.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:47 pm to Flats
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Then we should never kill any enemies of the US.
Nobody said that. We should kill Muslim terrorists, too, but we shouldn't get involved in another Iraq/Afghanistan
This is SPECIFICALLY the type of operation Trump was supposed to be against.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:49 pm to lake chuck fan
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If a target is put on a cartel head(say using Delta)there's NOTHING that will stop that.
The US special forces are so much better trained and equipped.... it's a joke to even compare.
Former Delta operator above.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Irrelevant.
We didn't lose them due to distance from DC and the logistics involved.
That's not true, the fact is they were so far from the US that people saw it as not their war.
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Uncle Sam needs your help again
he's got himself in a terrible jam
way down yonder in Vietnam
so put down your books and pick up a gun
we're gonna have a whole lot of fun
and it's 1, 2, 3, what're we fighting for?
don't ask me, I don't give a damn
next stop is vietnam
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If you love your Uncle Sam
Bring them home, bring them home
Support our boys in Vietnam
Bring them home, bring them home
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Yesterday I got a letter from my friend
Fighting in Vietnam
And this is what he had to say
'Tell all my friends that I'll be coming home soon
My time it'll be up some time in June
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Which nation was actively backing the various groups in Afghanistan?
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Several Afghan and US officials have long accused certain countries - including Pakistan, Iran and Russia - of giving financial aid to the Taliban. This is a practice they frequently deny.
However, private citizens from Pakistan and several Gulf countries including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are considered to be the largest individual contributors.
Although impossible to measure exactly, these sources of funding are thought to provide a significant proportion of the Taliban's revenue. According to experts it could be as much as $500m a year.
These links are long-standing. A classified US intelligence report estimated that in 2008 the Taliban received $106m from foreign sources, in particular from the Gulf states.
Iran most of all.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bro this isn't some isolated area of land cornered off on 3 sides and the sea on the 4th. Israel basically leveled Gaza.
I'm talking about their targeted strikes at key leaders. Did that matter or not?
If not, and you want to join the "somebody worse will replace them" club, then why go after anybody, ever? Why go after crime lords here in the US? We should just let them operate because if we arrest the head things will only get worse.
The "we can't do anything" crew is as ill-informed as the "it'll be over by lunch" crew.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:50 pm to Flats
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Then we should never kill any enemies of the US.
I didn't say that. It's just a lot different because there are so many cartel bosses and high ranking members ready to take over.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nobody said that.
That's the end result of his "logic".
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We killed plenty of muslims in Iraq/Afghanistan and VC in Vietnam. Didn't matter.
Are we really comparing the VC, Taliban and Iraqi Insurgents to the Cartels?
Groups like the Vietcong, Taliban, and the Iraqi Insurgents have the ideological and cultural frameworks that allow them to sustain a long-term fight, even against vastly superior powers.
They have something the cartels simply don’t: a deeply entrenched cause that motivates people to join their ranks, fight, and, if necessary, die for something larger than themselves. The cartels, on the other hand, are fundamentally for-profit criminal enterprises—they lack the ideological appeal, historical roots, or moral justification that keeps groups like the Vietcong and Taliban alive for generations.
The Cartel leaders and their "soldiers" are fundamentally not wired for the kind of endurance that groups like the Vietcong, Iraqi Insurgency, or Taliban could muster. Those fighters saw hardship as part of the struggle and believed in their cause so deeply that enduring unimaginable conditions was simply a means to an end. For the Vietcong, living in tunnels, eating scraps, and enduring bombardments were sacrifices they willingly made to achieve their ultimate goal. For cartel members, there’s no comparable motivation.
The idea of Cartel "soldiers" rallying behind someone like Nemesio Rubén Oseguera Cervantes ("El Mencho") to pull off something as extraordinary and grueling, as Võ Nguyên Giáp’s forces did during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu is laughable. Giáp's victory was rooted in discipline, ideological commitment, and a long-term vision, all of which are completely absent in the cartels' structure and culture.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:52 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
The A-10 was built for this. Send in four of them and let them eat.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:52 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
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there are so many cartel bosses and high ranking members ready to take over.
That's true of any organized enemy.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:53 pm to Flats
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I'm talking about their targeted strikes at key leaders. Did that matter or not?
Short term? Yes
Long term? No
That's why they ultimately had to level Gaza
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If not, and you want to join the "somebody worse will replace them" club, then why go after anybody, ever?
If it's actually a snake with an actual head, that's the rational choice.
If you're dealing with a Medusa head, then it's not rational.
We just spent 20 years, trillions, and tens of thousands of dead US soldiers learning this lesson, and we already want to do it again?
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The "we can't do anything" crew
I never said there is nothing we can do. Our military impact just likely will be very -EV. Economics/trade is how this war is won.
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