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re: Verdict reached in Arbery trial
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:46 pm to Lynxrufus2012
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:46 pm to Lynxrufus2012
If arbery had a gun and shot them it would be closer to the rittenhouse trial.
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Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:07 pm to Mats86
I read a few days ago where the camera guy's legal team tried to make a plea deal, but the prosecution quickly rejected it.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:10 pm to 308
No reason to accept it. Slam dunk case.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:28 pm to Nurbis
Look, they could see he didn’t take anything so they were dumbasses. Life seems like a lot since deliberate pieces of shite get less but oh well
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:29 pm to LSU7096
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Darwin grabbed the gun. One less criminal in Atlanta, 3.rednecks with their lives temporarily ruined.
You consider 25 years to life in person “temporary” ?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:40 pm to AMS
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They couldn't articulate a crime they suspected him of committing that day.
Not "they", the father. And the father was specifically asked if Arbery committed a crime, to which he said I don't know.
I guess you buy the progressive narrative that they just saw a black dude running in a white neighborhood and chased him down?
No, they knew Mr English had shite stolen from his property, so much so that he placed up cameras and motion sensors and asked neighbors to keep an eye on the place. The son, Travis, actually confronted Arbery on the property and tried to get him to leave. On another occasion, Travis and another neighbor met an officer (Officer Rash) on the construction site and voiced concern that he thought Arbery was stealing from that site and from other people.
It's clear as day to anyone here why they were chasing him. They thought he stole something. That's why there were lengthy conversations on this forum about whether or not things were stolen. I bet you were one of the ones with egg on their face swearing up and down that nothing was taken because Mr. English's lawyer said on TV that nothing was taken. Well, in court you can't lie so he at least had to admit that things were taken but he covered his own arse saying that he never suspected Arbery.
You want to handwave all of that away because you see that GA law does allow reasonable and probably suspicion.
Is it a bad law? Yes, at least in that form.
Does that mean that the McMichaels didn't commit murder? No, you can still argue the means in which they attempted a citizen's arrest broke the law and gave Arbery a self defense claim.
But what you can't do is pretend the law says something it doesn't.
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No matter how much fantasy land you want to believe that they were justified
Yea, well, don't let the at least dozen times of me openly saying that I wasn't arguing for their complete innocence stop you from claiming that I thought they should have been found innocent.
I only created two threads on this, 1. to show that things were taken and that the people who claimed otherwise were chumps and 2. to show that the defense did have a case to make for the McMichaels attempting a citizen's arrest. That's it.
Now go ahead and misread the shite I just typed.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:42 pm to EA6B
The question for the judge now becomes whether to sentence to life with the possibility of parole, or without the possibility. Ultimately it's the judge's decision, but there will be the opportunity of both sides to put together an argument in support of their position. Unfortunately for the defendants, they will not get the benefit of a recommendation of mercy from the prosecution which would come through the "blessing" of Arbery's family. They will likely push for the opposite. Thus the government will argue heavily for no possibility of parole.
If it's simply a judgment call purely by the judge, I could envision a scenario wherein the son doesn't receive the possibility, while the other two perhaps could.
Life without parole is only surpassed by the death penalty in severity.
If it's simply a judgment call purely by the judge, I could envision a scenario wherein the son doesn't receive the possibility, while the other two perhaps could.
Life without parole is only surpassed by the death penalty in severity.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:56 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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You don’t think that targeting and then brandishing a weapon on an unarmed man who was out number 3 - 1 isn’t grounds for malice ? Just asking.
No. I watched a lot of the trial and understand the law. They did not seek out to murder him. They could and would’ve shot him the first 4 encounters. Amaud was never shot before he pulled on the shotgun to take it away
You think that they went after him with the intent to murder the guy that fit the description of robberies terrorizing the neighborhood and didn’t shoot him the first 3 times, but were thinking he would grab the gun to give them an excuse to kill him to get away with it???
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:01 pm to Mats86
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If arbery had a gun and shot them it would be closer to the rittenhouse trial.
When did Rosenbaum have a gun and shoot it at KR?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:01 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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He stalked a work site
Oh FFS
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:03 pm to sgallo3
quote:I didn't say it fricking did, and earlier said that they deserved the verdict.
Whats absurd is that you lack the ability to comprehend the fact that when pursuing a citizens arrest all past knowledge does not matter.
But he was still not a jogger. The other guy's reply to my post applies to you.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:10 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Do I think they set out to murder the black man? No.
They probably didn’t set out to even SEE a black man that day. But lo and behold, there he was. Since that wasn’t the plan, they had to improvise, so they tried to think on their feet and instead murdered a dude.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:39 pm to Azkiger
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Not "they", the father. And the father was specifically asked if Arbery committed a crime, to which he said I don't know.
Dude weve been through this like 6 times. everyone else only knew about it from the father, he recruited them for the chase by the father. That means they could've only known as much as he did and He was clueless. Please quit with the pure fantasy that somehow they knew of some crime, they didn't.
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2. to show that the defense did have a case to make for the McMichaels attempting a citizen's arrest. That's it.
They didn't because you are operating in your own fantasy. Georgia has a very easy defensive argument for self defense and that couldn't be met. You only think it's a reasonable case because you are working from your own fantasy world scenario, not reality.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:47 pm to AMS
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he recruited them for the chase by the father. That means they could've only known as much as he did and He was clueless.
Not that I care about Travis right now, but his father fricked him over big time. He was a cop at one point and should have known enough to know that they were attempting an unlawful CA. He should not have initiated or continued the chase.
Travis pulled the trigger and was the lone guilty on malice murder, but Greg bears some responsibility for ruining his son’s life.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:50 pm to EA6B
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You consider 25 years to life in person “temporary” ?
Those guys are getting a minimum of 25 years? That's probably less than the average time served for legit, plan-it-out murder. More white privilege?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:50 pm to AMS
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everyone else only knew about it from the father
Travis recognized Arbery, he had caught the little thief there two weeks prior.
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They didn't because you are operating in your own fantasy. Georgia has a very easy defensive argument for self defense and that couldn't be met. You only think it's a reasonable case because you are working from your own fantasy world scenario, not reality.
Saying fantasy over and over doesn't make you right.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:58 pm to Flats
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Those guys are getting a minimum of 25 years? That's probably less than the average time served for legit, plan-it-out murder. More white privilege?
Naw. It's a mandatory life sentence, with the very significant distinction of being with the possibility of parole, or without the possibility of parole (meaning unless you escape you will die there). There will be a sentencing hearing in a month or two wherein defense will try to persuade judge to sentence life WITH possibility, while state will shoot for life WITHOUT possibility. If any of them catch a break with life with the possibility, he would have to serve 30 years before being eligible for parole. Either way, it's a 50 yard field goal ki kick to the balls. They probably wish they hadn't done all that mess I'm sure. Alright that's uncalled for, me.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 4:59 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Your racism is showing
Posted on 11/24/21 at 5:08 pm to Azkiger
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Azkiger
Did this dude get blown up or what lmao
Posted on 11/24/21 at 5:10 pm to davyjones
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he would have to serve 30 years before being eligible for parole.
That seems a little nuts given the stories I read on a regular basis about sentencing. Sounds like these guys are being used to placate the masses. Not the guilty part, but the sentence sounds out of the norm given the circumstances.
The federal charges are complete BS.
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