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Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:53 pm to Champagne
I can only speak for myself but here goes:
1. IMO Truman deserves some of the blame as DeGaulle
reoccupied IndoChina under his watch.
2. During WW II we had supported Uncle Ho and he
expected freedom afterwards.
3. I did not believe the phony Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
4. I hated LBJ, McNamara, Westmoreland and the rest
of the crew that got us into the mess.
5. Some of my instructors made disparaging remarks
about McNamara because he was a Quant and counted
rolls of toilet paper going in country. They
also thought his "McNamara Line" was silly.
6. I wasn't going to Canada, Sweden, obtain a phony
medical deferment or join the reserves.
7. We didn't talk about it but very few if any b
believed we were fighting for apple pie, USA, etc.
8. Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and the rest were
traitors.
9. Young women used to wait at LAX and spit on
Marines coming home. They should have spat on
Politicians.
10. I went to be with the Marines I trained with and
fought for them. I would do it again which the
SocDemos would call me insane. Maybe so.
11. The greatest in every generation are the ones who
do their duty. The Politicians and media through
us under the bus.
12. All historians should read the book "The
Deserters" which described the allied deserters in
in Europe who were robbing banks, hijacking OUR
convoys and selling the supplies on the black
market. They were protected.
1. IMO Truman deserves some of the blame as DeGaulle
reoccupied IndoChina under his watch.
2. During WW II we had supported Uncle Ho and he
expected freedom afterwards.
3. I did not believe the phony Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
4. I hated LBJ, McNamara, Westmoreland and the rest
of the crew that got us into the mess.
5. Some of my instructors made disparaging remarks
about McNamara because he was a Quant and counted
rolls of toilet paper going in country. They
also thought his "McNamara Line" was silly.
6. I wasn't going to Canada, Sweden, obtain a phony
medical deferment or join the reserves.
7. We didn't talk about it but very few if any b
believed we were fighting for apple pie, USA, etc.
8. Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and the rest were
traitors.
9. Young women used to wait at LAX and spit on
Marines coming home. They should have spat on
Politicians.
10. I went to be with the Marines I trained with and
fought for them. I would do it again which the
SocDemos would call me insane. Maybe so.
11. The greatest in every generation are the ones who
do their duty. The Politicians and media through
us under the bus.
12. All historians should read the book "The
Deserters" which described the allied deserters in
in Europe who were robbing banks, hijacking OUR
convoys and selling the supplies on the black
market. They were protected.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:07 pm to Champagne
Being a Vietnam era Air Force guy It was obvious to me but not as obvious because that was a very unpopular war. It was unpopular because us who were serving then knew we were not committed to wining it. The West coast was very disrespectful to GI's coming home. I came home to Louisiana and didn't experience any of that besides people down here wouldn't put up with those insults.
As far as now it is in my opinion much much worse.
As far as now it is in my opinion much much worse.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:18 pm to VADawg
quote:
They destroyed downtown Kent's businesses and then started throwing bricks at 11 National Guardsmen. That is hardly what I would call peaceful.
No, they didn't. I was not sympathetic with the demonstrators. I never demonstrated during VN even though I wrote college papers explaining why the war could not be won from an historical perspective. Shooting unarmed people on a college campus is not justifiable and that's why the Kent State killings sealed the deal on America pulling out.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:23 pm to Rebel
quote:
I think the soldiers figured it out when the left was spitting on them as they returned
Or when Jane was busy before that
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:29 pm to LSUA 75
quote:
It was a Democratic War.John Kennedy sent first soldiers there and LBJ escalated it bigly.
It took Richard Nixon to start the departure. Liberals don't like to hear that. It makes them tremble like a triggered NPC video from Flexdawg.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:31 pm to Kikicaca
WWI and II, our service members were “heroes” because they defended us from “evil”, Hitler.
Vietnam, we not defending the homeland, because the threat was not tangible.
Media shaped opinions as propaganda, though camouflaged.
Military Industrial Complex got rich.
Good men died and were maimed, fighting to serve. Motives were varied, but patriotism was the common core. Thanks to those who served.
The left seduced the youth to join their ranks and “parts” of a movement. Che was a cool t-shirt.
As far as LBJ, may he rot in hell. Vietnam, JFK, Welfare State.
Vietnam, we not defending the homeland, because the threat was not tangible.
Media shaped opinions as propaganda, though camouflaged.
Military Industrial Complex got rich.
Good men died and were maimed, fighting to serve. Motives were varied, but patriotism was the common core. Thanks to those who served.
The left seduced the youth to join their ranks and “parts” of a movement. Che was a cool t-shirt.
As far as LBJ, may he rot in hell. Vietnam, JFK, Welfare State.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:36 pm to West Palm Tiger561
quote:
Aren’t all boomers in the Vietnam era?
I was a child during the Vietnam Era, so no...
Most children of that era are Gen Xers...
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:43 pm to LSUA 75
quote:
It was a Democratic War.John Kennedy sent first soldiers there and LBJ escalated it bigly.
Kill off the best and brightest. You spray the ones who survive with Agent Orange which screws up them and their children.
If a President refuses to send troops to kill Yellow, Black, or Brown people on foreign soil, brand him a racist.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:46 pm to Zach
quote:
No, they didn't.
Zach, I take this with a grain of salt, but according to this article they were very much violent protestors.
LINK
quote:
Shooting unarmed people on a college campus is not justifiable and that's why the Kent State killings sealed the deal on America pulling out.
I have no doubt the press lied to the people about the event to create the emotional response they wanted.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 2:53 pm to Sundance
When I was a young Marine veteran I used to bristle at the thought of those who protested against what I believed in and bled for while fighting for their rights. I was treated badly. The bitterness still resides. I was dismayed.
Now, 50 years or so later, those protestors seem tame to what the media is trying to do to our nation — and its many of the same people at the forefront. The protestors merely became politicians.
I was a patriot then and am now but I feel the protestors are winning again. I am dismayed.
And I must have been a glutton for punishment because I became a member of the media for 37 years, trying to provide a conservative a view. Evidently I had little effect. Today the media leaves me, as then, dismayed.
Now, 50 years or so later, those protestors seem tame to what the media is trying to do to our nation — and its many of the same people at the forefront. The protestors merely became politicians.
I was a patriot then and am now but I feel the protestors are winning again. I am dismayed.
And I must have been a glutton for punishment because I became a member of the media for 37 years, trying to provide a conservative a view. Evidently I had little effect. Today the media leaves me, as then, dismayed.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:06 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
Zach, I take this with a grain of salt, but according to this article they were very much violent protestors.
Your link has no evidence of violence. A lot of 'there were reports that there might be.' There were no guards men hit by bricks. There was no breaking and looting into stores. This is a history article. I was an adult and watching in real time. These kids were obnoxious protesters. But they didn't deserve to be shot dead.
You also must remember that other things were going on at the exact same time. I'm talking about the exact same few months. Race riots, free sex revolution, drugs for everyone. It was a wild ride.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:09 pm to MDB
Tigernchicago you are 100% correct. I know a doctor who was with the first cav during test offensive. He only treated a few soldiers. It was a one sided battle the USA won. Commie Walter lied about the whole tet offensive.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:12 pm to Rebel
quote:
I think the soldiers figured it out when the left was spitting on them as they return
Never happened....and is insulting to servicemen to suggest it did. Anyone think you could spit on a US Serviceman and they wouldn't whip your arse or you whip their arse??? Either way there'd be a record of someone toting an asswhupping...there ain't one anywhere....Hustler and Larry Flynt has offered $1 Million for evidence outside of anecdotes like "My uncle said...…". You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will own up to it actually happening to them...its was always someone else....and if you do find that rare person ask them what ensued. If they didn't react they are either lying or they are a pussy. If they whipped the spitters arse where were the police....if it was in public place, usually the airport "with the dirt of Vietnam and the blood of their brothers still on their uniform"....another load of BS because you didn't come home from the field unless you were wounded and even then you'd have been cleaned up some....there would be some kind of record of it happening, unless it was so rare that the few times it did actually happen the cops covered it up.....highly unlikely.
There were some reports in major newspapers during the era....all of which have been recanted....it is an urban legend and insulting as heel to suggest that a man would be spit on and not whip someone's arse....
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:14 pm to Hangover Haven
Didn’t say everyone was a boomer. Saying all boomers were around during that era.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:18 pm to Champagne
quote:
Champagne
Do you understand how badly our government fricked up that war and the rules of engagement?
Lyndon Johnson can go frick himself in his grave and Nixon didn't do much better.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:19 pm to Snipe
quote:
The anti-government movement started long before the Vietnam war, or the US's involvement in it. Socialists like Sal Alansky did what they do best and infiltrated that movement (much like a virus takes over a host) and shaped it to redirect that (anti) mentality toward the US as a whole. Those collage kids of the day would group to infiltrate colleges and universities today and further spread their anti-American message. Truly sickening what the communists and socialist have done to this country.
The anti-war movement goes back to at least the civil war....by the end of the war about 90% of confederate troops were AWOL....it is an American tradition to refuse to die for a king. Anyone who is pro-war has probably never been in one....
Every assertion presented for our involvement in Vietnam has proven WRONG...as has our involvement in 18 years and running military action in the middle east. If the communists got us out of the war business in Vietnam they did a yeomans duty because we had no business protecting the interests of Brown and Root and Michelin to start with. They went in business in Vietnam....it was their decision, should have been their responsibility to mitigate their risks....but no, we FORCED poor American kids to do it and then refused to allow them to do it.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:21 pm to tigernchicago
quote:
Walter Cronkite declared that the Viet Kong and North Viet Nam won the Tet offensive after their leaders acknowledged it was a total failure. Walter Cronkite was personally responsible for the USA withdrawal.
I disagree. He said we were “mired in stalemate” and should withdraw honorably “because we did the best we could.”
He said that in 1968 and our involvement didn’t stop until 1973, when we withdrew without victory from a stalemate.
Walter Cronkite was right. We weren’t going to win because we weren’t going to invade North Vietnam by land for fear of bringing Russia directly into the fray. We had no parameter of what constituted victory and it cost thousands of lives, billions of dollars and U.S. prestige worldwide.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:22 pm to TigerMikeAtl
quote:
When I arrived at Parris Island MCRB in 1968 I was 100% sure that it was the right thing to do. Eight months later I started having doubts after being involved in many different engagements with Charlie and the NVA. When I returned back to the States and had access to American media reports, those doubts deeped. Looking back today, I believe what prolonged the war was U.S. Politics and the military war complex, not the enemy. We would have ended that war a whole lot earlier and so many lives saved if we would have been allowed to engage the enemy and fight the way we were taught. It was about the money. Politicians and the war industries got rich...I got despised and [b]spit on.[/b]
Thank you for your service.
What was your reaction to being spit on? And where did it happen?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:24 pm to Gtmodawg
When I returned it was first to an air base in the L.A. area and it was secure. Then when I came home it was at night in Baton Rouge to the open arms of my family. Few other people were there.
However, it was when I returned to my “friends” at college or at the local Frostop Drive In that I was met with apathy and distancing. I was never verbally or physically abused. But you could feel the difference. Not being included, snickered at and avoided because you were merely a Vet hurt.
But, they also knew not to spit on me. It wouldn’t have ended well.
Agree, I never saw such abuse happen but I don’t doubt that it may have happened somewhere, sometime. The animosity was palpable.
However, it was when I returned to my “friends” at college or at the local Frostop Drive In that I was met with apathy and distancing. I was never verbally or physically abused. But you could feel the difference. Not being included, snickered at and avoided because you were merely a Vet hurt.
But, they also knew not to spit on me. It wouldn’t have ended well.
Agree, I never saw such abuse happen but I don’t doubt that it may have happened somewhere, sometime. The animosity was palpable.
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