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re: Vietnam Era Boomers: Question for you.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:47 pm to Dale51
Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:47 pm to Dale51
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Show me some evidence otherwise. Four Dead in Ohio rang out over Woodstock.
I was pointing out the reverberations from that killing of a student.
from the article
As William Gordon reported in "Four Dead in Ohio," an authoritative book on the Kent State tragedy, a later FBI ballistics test on Norman's pistol determined it had been fired since its last cleaning, but there was no way to determine when.
well har har.
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:48 pm to Dale51
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Though the tussle and pistol shots, if authenticated, match some key details of a confrontation several witnesses reported seeing or hearing involving a pistol-waving Kent State student named Terry Norman, they raise many new questions.
Norman was photographing protestors that day for the FBI and carried a loaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 36 five-shot revolver in a holster under his coat for protection. Though he denied discharging his pistol, he previously has been accused of triggering the Guard shootings by firing to warn away angry demonstrators, which the soldiers mistook for sniper fire.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:51 pm to themunch
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a later FBI ballistics test on Norman's pistol determined it had been fired since its last cleaning, but there was no way to determine when
well har har.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:55 pm to Champagne
Obvious enough that we had to get out of any military uniform, cover our short haircuts and wait for connecting flights in isolation to keep from mental and physical abuse (including being hit with a wet sack of human feces) when flying into SeaTac or LAX.
I came home to Alabama where I was treated like a hero until I enrolled @ UA. Where some of the students and all the instructors were exactly like the sky screamers of that day on the west coast.
I came home to Alabama where I was treated like a hero until I enrolled @ UA. Where some of the students and all the instructors were exactly like the sky screamers of that day on the west coast.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 4:57 pm to themunch
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several witnesses reported seeing or hearing involving a pistol-waving Kent State student named Terry Norman, they raise many new questions.
These witnesses knew the mans name??
Weird.
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Norman was photographing protestors that day for the FBI and carried a loaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 36 five-shot revolver in a holster under his coat for protection.
And?
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he previously has been accused of triggering the Guard shootings
He was accused....well he must be guilty.
But what is your actual claim?? That he was working with the Guard to give them a reason to start shooting students?? Seeing that he was among those student and could have been shot himself doesn't make sense.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:00 pm to West Palm Tiger561
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Aren’t all boomers in the Vietnam era?
I was 14 in 1975.
My younger sister was 11.
Of course calling those of us born in the early 60's the same as the nuts who were in high school and college in 67-69 is bullshite.
A lot of the prominent lefty shite stirrers of the 60's were Silent Generation (i.e. born during WWII and just before)
Jane Fonda, 6 of the Chicago 7, hippie singers, the major feminists, etc.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:05 pm to Dale51
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for the FBI
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:24 pm to themunch
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for the FBI
Taking pictures
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:29 pm to TheFonz
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It was the first televised war. People came home from work in the evenings and saw news footage of jungle combat while eating their tv dinners.
No tv dinners were allowed in our house.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:29 pm to TheFonz
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It was the first televised war. People came home from work in the evenings and saw news footage of jungle combat while eating their tv dinners.
No tv dinners were allowed in our house.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:30 pm to Dale51
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uote:
for the FBI
Taking pictures
with a loaded gun
The guard still shot and killed. It could happen again with the right soup cooking.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:42 pm to themunch
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with a loaded gun
So what? Is that unusual?
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The guard still shot and killed. It could happen again with the right soup cooking.
Was that wrong..should they not have done that?
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It could happen again with the right soup cooking.
Don't start nothing..won't be nothing.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:57 pm to Champagne
Hanoi Jane Fonda! John Kerry calling our soldiers in Viet Nam murderers. The Democrat Congress cutting off funding for the war just as North Viet Nam was on the verge of capitulating. A few years ago North Viet Nam General Giap admitted that North Viet Nam was on the verge of surrender. The Democrats in Congress snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. America sent 58,318 young men to their death for nothing. One of KIA was my cousin, cut down in the prime of his life in a Viet Cong Ambush. Another a HS classmate and another from my hometown.
Curse the Democrats. Curse them to hell.....and that includes you Walter Cronkite.
Curse the Democrats. Curse them to hell.....and that includes you Walter Cronkite.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:06 pm to Gtmodawg
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What was your reaction to being spit on? And where did it happen?
In California in 69 at an off base club.
How did I react? Let's just say if you value your teeth, don't spit on a Marine. I'll bet he still remembers me if he's still alive.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:14 pm to gthog61
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I was 14 in 1975.
My younger sister was 11.
As was I and my younger brother.
The far right in this thread is disgusting.
Vietnam was fricked up. Soldiers being spat upon returning home. A government that lied again and again and again. A war that had rules of engagement that prevented victory whatever that was.
Kent State wasn’t the only shooting. Ohio State. Jackson State. What’s the justification for those? Did the students at Jackson State fire in the police who killed two of them?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:16 pm to TigerMikeAtl
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n California in 69 at an off base club. How did I react? Let's just say if you value your teeth, don't spit on a Marine. I'll bet he still remembers me if he's still alive.
That would've been the reaction in most instances. If you have any way of proving this happened Larry Flynt will pay you a million dollars, or would have a few years ago...he's dead and the publishing industry is in the toilet but I think Bill Maher has made the same offer as have several journalists.
If it happened often there would be a police record because almost any soldier spit on is not going to react in a peaceful fashion...they are going to whup someones arse or get whupped but an arse whupping is going to happen...if it happened often there'd be some kind of documentation....none has ever been produced.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:21 pm to Gtmodawg
I believe it happened.
Things were so polarized then. There is nothing good that came out of that "war".
Things were so polarized then. There is nothing good that came out of that "war".
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:27 pm to MDB
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However, it was when I returned to my “friends” at college or at the local Frostop Drive In that I was met with apathy and distancing. I was never verbally or physically abused. But you could feel the difference. Not being included, snickered at and avoided because you were merely a Vet hurt. But, they also knew not to spit on me. It wouldn’t have ended well.
I am sorry that the part in bold and underlined happened...and there is no doubt that many returning vets received the same kind of treatment and it was wrong as anything that has ever been done to anyone in the history of the United States, native Americans and slaves included....it should have never happened and as a nation we should apologize publicly and do whatever we can to rectify the harm done. It has impacted each and everyone of us and it is the worse imaginable ugliness that is an example of who were are as a people.
For the part that is underlined...this is why it is insulting to spread the idea that large numbers of vets were attacked physically...spit on....when returning home. Other than anecdotal evidence there is no record of it happening and for good reason....if it did happen someone got that arse whupped....and there'd have been a record of it if it was widespread...only a few such instances could be covered up. The treatment that Vietnam vets have received from us as a nation is deplorable...we sent young men, many barely beyond being a boy, and asked them to die or worse become damaged for years to come and we didn't support them in their efforts and when they returned home and even to this day we forget their sacrifice. It wasn't just the left...there was also a sentiment on the right, from WW2 and Korean Vets, that they had lost the war and should be shunned for that...the whole damn nation then and now should be ashamed of ourselves over this.....but to suggest that a large number of soldiers returned, were spitten on, and did not react in a manner befitting a soldier is every bit as insulting because it leads some to wonder if EVERY Vietnam Vet acting in that manner...which they most assuredly DID NOT....if it happened most likely the spitter had a VERY bad day....and if it happened in any kind of number there'd be a record of that because some vets wouldn't have stopped at a beating....they were recently in a situation where death wasn't a stranger...some would have killed a spitter….no record of it. To suggest it happened in quantity is an insult to soldiers.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:30 pm to themunch
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Four Dead in Ohio rang out over Woodstock. I believe it helped unite the cause in a big way.
Woodstock took place a year before that song was even written.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:34 pm to TheDude321
You missed the anniversaries? 
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