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re: War on poverty and programs to help the poor
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:37 pm to NoSaint
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:37 pm to NoSaint
quote:nope. We have every advantage possible in this country. Being born into poverty is such bs. Go to school and do well and you can make it
Things like health, or being born into it, or....
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:40 pm to NoSaint
quote:
Things like health, or being born into it, or....
I'll grant health - someone born with a serious congenital defect is not likely to be able to be productive in any way. I believe it is my duty, as a Christian, to help such an individual as much as I can, especially when that person is a member of my community.
As far as being born in to it, no. That is not an excuse. Every individual with an IQ north of 85, provided they have the drive and motivation to not be poor, is capabale of not being in poverty. Whether or not they have those things is not the responsibility of society as a whole - it is the responsibility of their family, their community, and themselves to inculcate the proper behavior.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:55 pm to Powerman
quote:
Call me crazy but wouldn't it just be easier if we just gave them money?
No.
Look at lottery winners who were in poverty prior to their winnings.
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3-5 years in worse shape than before.
The thing keeping most people from a middle class or higher life isn't money, its poor life choices. Even a lottery winnings worth of money cannot fix poor life choices.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:01 pm to Powerman
If you gave the money directly then the pork welfare corporations who benefit would not get graft.
It has nothing to do with poor people.
It has everything to do with politicians regarding their cronies who donate for them.
It has nothing to do with poor people.
It has everything to do with politicians regarding their cronies who donate for them.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:13 pm to Powerman
quote:
Call me crazy but wouldn't it just be easier if we just gave them money?
no.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:16 pm to Powerman
quote:In this country, there is no "or"
Would you rather give them 18K a year in cash or spend 4 times that on other programs?
it's "and"
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:18 pm to mahdragonz
quote:
If you gave the money directly then the pork welfare corporations who benefit would not get graft.
wait
...why?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
He's right
What's your explanation? Why are they poor?
"it depends"
some people make a mistake. some people are victims. some people have medical issues. some people are dumb.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
i posted this a couple weeks back but this is a good thread for it
welfare programs will never lead mass populations out of poverty, because they're created to help consumers engage in consumer behaviors. they are not a tool of increasing wealth in the individual, as the money flows immediately to third parties. essentially welfare is just a way for DEMs to gain political power by buying votes (both at the top and bottom) while acting as nothing more than re-distributive policies (where government workers benefit the most directly and tens of thousands of businesses benefit the rest)
the extreme end of the leftist spectrum now admits this, which is why they're promoting UBS
however, UBS aren't unicorns. when you provide services without stakes, abuse will happen and destroy the services. just look at public schools in bad areas or charity hospital systems (and Medicaid's impact on ERs across the country). if you promote UBS, you have to have strict budgets and harsh regulations
welfare programs will never lead mass populations out of poverty, because they're created to help consumers engage in consumer behaviors. they are not a tool of increasing wealth in the individual, as the money flows immediately to third parties. essentially welfare is just a way for DEMs to gain political power by buying votes (both at the top and bottom) while acting as nothing more than re-distributive policies (where government workers benefit the most directly and tens of thousands of businesses benefit the rest)
the extreme end of the leftist spectrum now admits this, which is why they're promoting UBS
however, UBS aren't unicorns. when you provide services without stakes, abuse will happen and destroy the services. just look at public schools in bad areas or charity hospital systems (and Medicaid's impact on ERs across the country). if you promote UBS, you have to have strict budgets and harsh regulations
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:58 pm to Powerman
Write cheque to no one. Cut all welfare programs. Take the money saved and buy some cement and steel - start rebuilding sone of the thousands of highways or bridges the U.S. desperately needs. Pay the welfare class to do the work. He’ll pay them buck-ten on the dollar and you’re still probably getting more bang for buck.
If they don’t show up for work they can starve.
If they don’t show up for work they can starve.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:37 pm to Powerman
The war on poverty has been a booming success. The reason it looks like it hasn’t is because the poverty level is measured by income....and very few of the programs are considered income....housing assistance, food stamps, subsidized childcare, subsidized healthcare etc are all left out of the equation. Poverty as it was known prior to 1960 or so in the US is almost non existent. This is a readily available and well known fact but of course it doesn’t fit the world view of the extreme left or right. The left screams for more and the right claims it’s just a black hole.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:06 am to germandawg
Forget to say shovel ready jobs
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:39 am to NoSaint
Quit paying unwed mothers a dime after their 2nd baby. America’s birthrate in 2017 was at an all time low. But it was because middle to upper class people had a huge drop, while the poorest of Americans had gains in the number of kids their having. Now think about that shite right there. America will not be able to pay for to many more years. Just will be to many takers.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:43 am to Powerman
Libs waste money. Go figure.
Who says there should even be a check? The poverty would be the same as now because the freebies become generational crutches.
Who says there should even be a check? The poverty would be the same as now because the freebies become generational crutches.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:44 am to Powerman
quote:
Call me crazy but wouldn't it just be easier if we just gave them money?
Most of these people are so irresponsible that they can't afford to support themselves, they have kids they can't afford, but we're going to just give them more CASH to spend as they wish....and give them more for every new kid they have?
Are you on crack?
Posted on 5/24/18 at 1:50 am to Powerman
Privatize welfare services
Cut off taxpayer support
Fund it through charitable donations
The system will become more efficient in no time and those on assistance will be vigorously incentivized to work their way off
Cut off taxpayer support
Fund it through charitable donations
The system will become more efficient in no time and those on assistance will be vigorously incentivized to work their way off
Posted on 5/24/18 at 3:03 am to Powerman
Poors stay poor because they are lazy and stupid. You will never get rid of this problem no matter how much money you throw at it.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:56 am to Azkiger
quote:
No.
Look at lottery winners who were in poverty prior to their winnings.
'
3-5 years in worse shape than before.
That's a very large lump sum of money
Completely different from getting a more modest weekly check
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:57 am to MMauler
quote:
Most of these people are so irresponsible that they can't afford to support themselves, they have kids they can't afford, but we're going to just give them more CASH to spend as they wish....and give them more for every new kid they have?
Are you on crack?
If you could cut the amount spent in half by giving them cash as opposed to all of these bloated services would it not be the preferred fiscal outcome?
Or do you just like throwing hundreds of billions down the toilet?
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:58 am to Powerman
Charity for the poor is the domain of the individual and the church, not government.
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