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Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:20 am to
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:20 am to
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That was the trade. You suggested it. You backing out?




I think it's funny because honestly all I really would like is for the left to grant me the same Freedom it has decided to grant for itself.

The left pretends to fight against the great many things under the pretense that they hold then as a principle

But that's just false. They don't hold them as a general principle they hold them as a principal for themselves

For example. The left doesn't oppose discrimination. They just want to be the only ones allowed to do it.
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 7:21 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31246 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:32 am to
Correct.
They want to make all the rules. frick that.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:34 am to
I don't think that's possible with the current DNC (notice I picked the organization and not Democrat voters in general). That leadership has skewed so far to the fringe that the things they would want would be non-starters.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:46 am to
I think the bottom line politically for me is this. Many moons ago I used to call myself fiscally conservative but socially liberal. On most social issues I agreed with the stated principles laid out by liberals

But I came to realize that liberals didn't agree with their stated principles. They just wanted the stated principles to apply to them and them only

That's when I realized how truly dangerous they were

I mean I'm sorry. It takes a liberal to act like the Civil Rights Act is the greatest piece of legislation ever and Then follow it up with supporting affirmative action to include test norming and differing standards for job applicants for college applicants.

" no discrimination is ever allowed except for when we say it's okay!!!"
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 7:50 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:04 am to
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Then follow it up with supporting affirmative action to include test norming and differing standards for job applicants for college applicants.


So that's a deal point. Say liberals give up affirmative action. Would you give concessions on abortion, or immigration, or tax raises, or increases in spending on social programs?

Not ignoring your posts. Just having to jump in and out.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22324 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:08 am to
I'd legalize free on demand abortion paid for by excise taxes and support easy work visas for migrants to abolish the income tax.
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 8:09 am
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:10 am to
how about banning abortion in exchange for banning guns?

Abortion is murder after all. Or are your precious guns more important than human life?
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 8:13 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31246 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:12 am to
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how about banning abortion in exchange for banning guns?


How about GFY?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:13 am to
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are your precious guns more important than human life.


Yes.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
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Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:13 am to
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How about GFY?


So abortion doesn't matter? Is that what you are saying?
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:14 am to
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Yes.


What are you so scared of? What boogeyman are you worried about?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
156661 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:17 am to
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So abortion doesn't matter? Is that what you are saying?


Why would I trade a vile act for a right? The math doesn't work.

I'll trade you abortion for mass deportation of illegal aliens though, end of birthright citizenship, more wall where it makes sense and merit-based immigration policies.

Deal?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Member since Jan 2010
22324 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:19 am to
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What are you so scared of? What boogeyman are you worried about?




Mostly I'm worried that I won't have the tools to effectively kill people like you when you eventually try to disarm law abiding citizens.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:21 am to
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So that's a deal point.

I told you my deal. My deal is simple.

Give me the same freedoms you've handed yourself.

Once you do that, I suspect arriving at agreement on simple shite like taxes and social programs won't be that hard.

As for abortion. That's not one of my core issues although I'm pro-life. But, I will say that I consider it a red herring issue at this point given that even your original post granted the idea that it's reasonable to have some restrictions.

You could have a deal TODAY with Republicans on abortion if the left would actually take that position. But, it's kinda hard to make a deal when anything short of abortion on demand until it's out of the canal is considered off limits.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:22 am to
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So abortion doesn't matter? Is that what you are saying?

I see Cathy Newman has arrived in the thread.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
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Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:22 am to
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Mostly I'm worried that I won't have the tools to effectively kill people like you when you eventually try to disarm law abiding citizens.




Our government has nuclear and chemical weapons. Your gun isn't going to protect you from that.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31246 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:23 am to
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So abortion doesn't matter? Is that what you are saying?


Doesn't really matter to me,to be honest. People want to kill their own children,hell,let them do it.

I would like to see an experiment tried though.
Let's make it perfectly legal,for everyone to get abortions,except for white girls. Make that highly illegal.

fricking people's heads would explode.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22324 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:25 am to
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Our government has nuclear and chemical weapons. Your gun isn't going to protect you from that.


The government isn't nuking the homeland, you dumbass. Most people in the military and law enforcement are on my side on this issue.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:28 am to
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Most people in the military and law enforcement are on my side on this issue.


This is the dumbest thing that keeps getting posted on here. They will do what the people who are paying them tell them to do.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
156661 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:29 am to
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This is the dumbest thing that keeps getting posted on here.


quote:

Our government has nuclear


Yeah, the government is surely going to nuke itself. DA
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 8:31 am
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