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re: Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:04 pm to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:04 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:False.
I don’t disagree, but Trump has actually - at the behest of the NRA - weakened background checks or any associating mental illness with the background database for gun ownership.
quote:You can. Here’s a clue. Psychiatrists aren’t fortune tellers.
If you could tie current known mental illness as diagnosed in a clinical setting as a reason to prohibit someone from owning a gun
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Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:05 pm to CollegeFBRules
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If someone is identified as a paranoid schizophrenic, should they be permitted to own a gun? How would society even know?
That's a good question. I have no problem with discussing solutions to that, but it's an extremely slippery slope.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:05 pm to CollegeFBRules
I have guns. I live with no fear. If a bad guy threatens me or my loved ones with a gun. I will kill him, and protect my family and myself. You...you will piss your pants in fear!
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:06 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:
that wasn’t what that article I linked was trying to correlate to.
curious timing. And slant to the “article”. Didn’t think you were so gullible. Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:06 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
I don’t disagree, but Trump has actually - at the behest of the NRA - weakened background checks or any associating mental illness with the background database for gun ownership.
Yeah, I need to see a link on this
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:09 pm to upgrayedd
Yep looks fishy
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:10 pm to Taxing Authority
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False
quote:
Early into his first year in the White House, Trump signed a measure that got rid of a regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people who were either receiving full disability benefits because of mental illness and couldn't work or people who were unable to manage their own Social Security benefits and needed the help of third parties.
Using the Congressional Review Act, Republican majorities in the House and Senate voted to revoke the rule that former President Barack Obama issued as part of a series of efforts to curb gun violence after similar measures failed to pass through Congress.
Trump signed the bill in private, without his typical public signing ceremony meant to draw attention and fanfare.
LINK
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Have a look at the NY drug list. Anyone with migraines or ADHD is out.
Using depression as a disqualifier is a reason that mental health checks will never be enforced.
There's no way it would pass under those circumstances.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Their nonsense about the NRA trying to hack away at background checks always turns out to be total bullshite.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:11 pm to CollegeFBRules
Because we can afford to stockpile as much as we want to...
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:12 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
That's a good question. I have no problem with discussing solutions to that, but it's an extremely slippery slope.
It is a slippery slope, but because it is winds up being a reason we don’t even discuss it. There has to be an accepted way to identify people with those kind of diagnoses for the purpose of owning a gun.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:13 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:The psychiatrists I know want no part of becoming fortune tellers. They’ve all lost PTs that never showed any signs of suicide. PTs they’ve treated for long term. To try to predict the future action should of a person from a 1-hour meeting... silly.
If mental health professionals had to actually "clear" individuals to own guns, it seems to me it would be almost insane for one to ever do so for ANYONE. You'd certainly have to pass some seriously impenetrable hold harmless legislation before I'd ever think one should do so.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:15 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:
you guys
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:15 pm to CollegeFBRules
This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.
As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.
That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.
It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
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As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.
That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.
It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
LINK
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:15 pm to CollegeFBRules
That bill he repealed was also repudiated by the ACLU
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:16 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:How would the government know? Are you suggesting they have psychic powers?
If someone is identified as a paranoid schizophrenic, should they be permitted to own a gun? How would society even know?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:16 pm to CollegeFBRules
Using depression as a disqualifier just means less people seeking hel.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:17 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:
It is a slippery slope, but because it is winds up being a reason we don’t even discuss it. There has to be an accepted way to identify people with those kind of diagnoses for the purpose of owning a gun.
Then these people should get due process, not simply thrown on a list.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:17 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:*yawn*. Receiving SS benefits != mentally ill. We’ve eviscerated this already.
Early into his first year in the White House, Trump signed a measure that got rid of a regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people who were either receiving full disability benefits because of mental illness and couldn't work or people who were unable to manage their own Social Security benefits and needed the help of third parties.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:18 pm to upgrayedd
quote:That one was pretty tired.
Their nonsense about the NRA trying to hack away at background checks always turns out to be total bullshite.
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