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re: Why do so many southern towns struggle with lowering their poverty rates?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good question. Bookmarked to read a little and form an informed reply. Well as informed as I'm able, I'm southern
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 6:55 am to BuckyBadger
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Excuse my ignorance but I've never heard of a police jury. Could you please expand or anyone else: comprised of, how many, how common, etc.
Thank you.
It's a different form of parish/county government where there is no Parish President or County President, but instead, the parish/county is divided into wards, which each elect a police juror. Their "council" is called the police jury, and they run the parish. Ascension Parish had a police jury up until the early 2000's when they reorganized as a President/council government.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:47 am to Tigah in the ATL
Because individuals refuse to revise their skills and education when times & technology and the subsequent job market changes. Plus they won't move to where the jobs are when the jobs in their town go away.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:42 am to Bard
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While I used cotton as an example, you can swap that commodity out for anything. Cane, soybeans, even corn (especially if that ridiculous ethanol bill is ever repealed).
It stands to reason that farm subsidies have kept a lot of these farmers locked in their place for longer than the market would have allowed. Besides corn farmers ethanol has proven to be a disaster to most of America. Taxpayers have shouldered the bills for many farmers for many years and this has played into some of the structure of the small towns. With no subsidies perhaps the market would have allowed for the strongest most innovative farmers to grow stronger operations and build on some of these small towns. Those that would have not been able to keep up would have looked to innovate in other businesses if they chose to stay in town. Instead the status quo was maintained for many decades and the children of farmers have moved to cities seeking growth and jobs.
There are obvious negatives for many of these small towns in regards to lack of skilled workers and lack of educated people in general. I don't know how these places can recruit more manufacturers or industrial businesses other than those areas with oil, gas, or coal available. Very few of these places have access to interstate highways as many were bypassed. These small towns have failed to diversify from the mainstay industry of farming and now the residents almost have no other alternatives but to move.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:47 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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There's no reason to invest in public education since they don't benefit and they think it is only wasted on the poor--both white and black.
well that is bullshite. My mom works for the public school system in a north Louisiana parish and guess what? It has way more money/child than the private school system. The private school is a B/C school and the public school system is all F's. $$$$ does no good when the kids are not taught the discipline to do their own homework and learn their lesson and to respect their teachers.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:09 am to SmackoverHawg
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That's true. Education is not valued and often ridicule. The family business is welfare, disability and Hustlin'. Fathers don't support their offspring. This applies to lower class whites to a certain degree as well, but more of them do value an education. It's a culture of poverty and human nature is to maintain the status quo. There's no drive to better themselves.
I know plenty of black kids with no father / father is in jail. I know plenty of white kids with no father / father is in jail.
You know what the common theme is? A lack of value in education. The parent(s) isn't educated, and doesn't care about educating the child.
There's a lot of poor white people out here who are on food stamps, claim their back hurts, don't send their kids to school, etc. We call them "white trash", right?
My older daughter was in public school last year. At the little kiddie Mardi Gras parade the school had (where all the kids dress up and roll wagons around the block) I saw a pregnant lady smoking a cigarette, and a guy wearing a shirt with five profane words on it, drinking a beer. At 11 am. At a kids parade. Both of them were white. At the end of the year kindergarten graduation, two men got into a fist fight in the gym while the graduation was on stage. Both of the guys were white.
Needless to say, my daughter is in Catholic school this year.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
People. who choose. to be so called educated is their right to pursue their own happiness but why do they have a right to live a better life?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I know plenty of black kids with no father / father is in jail. I know plenty of white kids with no father / father is in jail. You know what the common theme is? A lack of value in education. The parent(s) isn't educated, and doesn't care about educating the child. There's a lot of poor white people out here who are on food stamps, claim their back hurts, don't send their kids to school, etc. We call them "white trash", right?
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Children in single parent family
Black 67%
White 25%
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Whites are 64% of the U.S. population and 40% of the prison population.
Blacks are 13% of the population and 40% of prison population.
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Of those receiving welfare 38.8% are white, 39.8% are black, but again blacks are only 12% of the population.
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Food stamps by race
White population in U.S. 234 million
26.5 million or 11.3% receive food stamps.
Black population in U.S. 36 million
12.6 million or 35% receive food stamps.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:35 pm to EA6B
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EA6B
A higher percentage of blacks come from a single parent family, food stamps, etc.
No surprise there. But again, your states show there's plenty of poor white people as well.
People need to stop treating this as a race issue and start treating it as a lack of wealth issue.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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the south hasn't made much progress in this regard.
Detroit
Pot meet Kettle
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Wouldn't natural market forces cause factories and cities to spring up, though?
you mean like the Boeing plant that was to open in Carolina before your glorious leader blocked it?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:20 pm to kingbob
quote:Thank you.
It's a different form of parish/county government where there is no Parish President or County President, but instead, the parish/county is divided into wards, which each elect a police juror. Their "council" is called the police jury, and they run the parish. Ascension Parish had a police jury up until the early 2000's when they reorganized as a President/council government.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Wouldn't natural market forces cause factories and cities to spring up, though?
Natural market forces do not cause factories and cities to spring up. Capital investment does. To echo some of the comments, it's a problem of educated citizens and politicians. If I move my car factory to Alabama, I want to make sure that the people that work there are qualified. I want to make sure that there are enough people.
On one hand, natural market forces are distorted by government: without the same social safety nets, many people would move. To put things in perspective, $12k in Florence Alabama is like $9k in LA, $10K in Miami, and $5K in NYC. There's no impetus for folks to change their way of life. Either they think it is change is not worth it / hopeless, or they don't know how. The latter is a lack of parenting / education. The former is an attitude problem.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:51 pm to ironsides
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ironsides
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If I move my car factory to Alabama
I think you'll end up with stuff like this
Alabama produced vehicles
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:16 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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because the southern rural culture doesn't value education.
i assume someone has pointed out that you are retarded, so i won't reiterate.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 3:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do so many southern towns struggle with lowering their poverty rates?
I think you are using overly broad terms with unrelated issues.
Part of the problem is perception: that the trashy trailer park sports fan in the Syracuse area is not a representation of NY State or Syracuse University but the similar trashy sports watching fan in Auburn living in a trailer is totally a representation of Auburn or Lee County; at least to the lowest common denominator crowds.
Secondly rural growth rates are horrible because there are less jobs or educational opportunities while living in the middle of nowhere can cost a lot of money in gasoline,time, and home insurance.
The recent spike in urban living represents that cities are currently where the economic opportunities are located. Cities like Birmingham have had wonderful growth that should be celebrated. It should also not be forgotten why so many are fleeing rural areas.
Here is where I get my politically correct card revoked:
education is important but for many people it doesn't really matter how many books you give them because they aren't mentally strong enough to handle it. Many of these people will find an acceptable enough living on a lower rural income and just get through life paycheck to paycheck.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:08 pm to Wtodd
So much fail in your post considering Alabama is ranked 5th in the country (just behind #4 Missouri) in auto manufacturing. Mercedes only North American plants, Honda, Hyundai, and Toyota all have plants so at least do a little homework before you flame. LOL
Next thing you know Wtodd will be making rocket scientist jokes about Alabama (not realizing that the Rockets that out man on the moon were developed in Huntsville )
Next thing you know Wtodd will be making rocket scientist jokes about Alabama (not realizing that the Rockets that out man on the moon were developed in Huntsville )
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:17 pm to NoNameNeeded
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Southerners have long had a reputation for laziness, and the plantation mentality of dependency has not helped in that regard.
So are you saying now that those on the plantations were lazy and the plantation lifestyle led to dependence or a mental servitude of sorts.
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The future of the southeastern states looks very dark, and the fertility rates of inner city welfare recipients confirms that. White flight has made the place a tragedy, and now it's a region dealing with a serious brain drain.
The dark you refer to continues to gain populace, and industry while the more enlightened areas seem to be losing both. The white flight you speak of is not a south problem nor a problem at all in fact when whites choose to move back into urban areas the locals howl at the higher taxes and being squeezed out by whites. I agree that the south is not perfect, for every Charlotte you have a Jackson and Memphis and along the the delta country the affluence of the rest of the populace has not followed in kind and in fact does look like a darkly governed area with serious brain drain.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do so many southern towns struggle with lowering their poverty rates?
Read this:
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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food stamps
Now that we've fleshed out the way these towns got to be this way, let's look at why they are staying this way and the quoted text has a lot to do with it.
Prior to the implementation of our welfare system people had much more incentive to move to where jobs could be found. This incentive is called "hunger", or in extreme examples "starvation". There was no government safety net so people moved, learned to hunt/garden or they starved. It was that simple.
A prosperous society should be of a mind to help the less fortunate rise above their lot in life, but the issue we are seeing in these poor, rural areas is that the aid coming from the government is effectively locking them into poverty. They don't get enough money to afford to move and there are no jobs to be had to work their way out of poverty. The only incentive they have is to have more children so they can get more money, but never enough money that they can better themselves. It's a no-win situation that awards the status quo and there is no remedy being discussed.
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