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re: Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:54 pm to ShinerHorns
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:54 pm to ShinerHorns
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Free market forces dictate a fair price.
LOL...if you think the free-market forces are at play in the cost of college tuition and health care, you are insane.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:57 pm to bobBoxer
Why is health care and college tuition so high? You get one guess…
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:00 pm to bobBoxer
Eliminating all student aid programs would go a very long way towards this goal.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:01 pm to Topwater Trout
We have colleges that compete on price such as community colleges and commuter schools. And we have colleges that compete on luxury with million dollar lazy rivers.
Most Students choose luxury.
Most Students choose luxury.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There isn't really a free market though with the current model. Federal backing of student loans send prices through the roof.
Make the schools be on the hook for students loans/payments and their academic progress.
If free market can make things cheaper, I'm all for it, i wouldn't be opposed to having a public option as well, it doesn't need to be free but something thats affordable, and thats for schools and hospitals
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:04 pm to bobBoxer
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Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper
When people begin to understand that
college isnt a right, and
health care isnt a right, and
That making them rights, 0only drives the price up
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:04 pm to llfshoals
quote:I agree with this 1000%
All for it, as long as they eliminate every course that currently has “studies” as part of the title
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:05 pm to bobBoxer
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Instead of free, why not focus on lowering the cost. No school should cost over 10 k a year for anyone, and hospitals shouldn't bankrupt anyone. Dems only talk about making shite free because they know it's not going to pass and don't actually have any plans on helping anyone, and they don't have to actually answer to there voters about it, they can just say"well we tried to help y'all but those mean old republicans stopped us". Republicans are missing a golden opportunity here, whether the nominee be trump or desantis, what they should be saying is"hey we get it shite is too expensive right now, while we can't make things free, I'ma do everything in my power to lower the cost". Colleges have become lefist strongholds due to over funding, I doubt they want to give any funds up, I imagine a lot of hospitals are the same way, republicans should threaten to cut funding if they don't make things for the people cheaper, I really feel like this could be a path to republicans winning in a blowout, and taking funding away from leftist strongholds
This is what happens when you open the federal spigot on an industry and never shut it off.
The influx of billions in federal money into the school systems didn't all go to adding more professors, it went to expand middle management and fripperies (see: DEI offices, lazy pools, apartment style housing, etc). Schools have learned that they can raise their rates and the federal government will simply raise what they give out in order to "keep pace".
Healthcare costs have always been large because the primary driver here is lack of supply (medical professionals) to meet the demand. The only way to meet the demand is to lower standards on what qualifies as supply. To add to this, Medicare/caid has proven similar to federally-backed student loans in that healthcare providers can charge more (to an extent) and the federal government will work to match it. These programs have allowed more demand to be created in an industry already hurting for supply, thus price goes up.
As a footnote to the healthcare issue, the healthcare insurance industry has created a huge cost for providers as well. Around 25% of a doctor's staff is there just to work with insurance and Medicare/caid. Those workers cost money.
The only meaningful way to get prices lower in those industries is to get government money out of them.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:09 pm to Shamoan
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we need tradesmen. not everyone should go to college.
cant fix a busted pipe with a degree in gender studies.
100% agree with this, I think when kids turn 15 there parents should have the option to do high school or trade school, and both should be free
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:17 pm to RobbBobb
quote:no one said they had be free just make an effort to make them affordable
college isnt a right, and
health care isnt a right, and
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:17 pm to bobBoxer
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100% agree with this, I think when kids turn 15 there parents should have the option to do high school or trade school, and both should be free
Except for a few small fees (and our taxes)…it already is.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:17 pm to bobBoxer
Because the America people won't accept what it takes to make them cheaper
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:19 pm to kingbob
quote:I agree with all this 1000% this is beautiful really man
Because republicans are too busy being reactionary to the left’s bad ideas to have any good ideas of their own. The republican party will continue to be useless until they start having an actual vision of radical change from the status quo rather than merely defending a broken system against attempts to break it further.
The status quo doesn’t work for most people, but the GOP doesn’t have the vision or conviction to push for meaningful change, only to stand against the bad changes the democrats want. Democrats win because even though their ideas are stupid and harmful, they recognize that there’s a problem, connect with people, and propose policy solutions to those problems. Granted, leftish solutions tend to just make problems worse, but they give the appearance that they’re at least trying. By comparison, republicans look like they’re going to bad for the broken status-quo.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:23 pm to ShinerHorns
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Free market forces SHOULD dictate a fair price.
FIFY
There is no free market when the government is involved. The US free market is dead. We are still coasting on the fumes of our once great economic system. Anything that government touches becomes ruined. Think of one instance that this is not the case.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:23 pm to pennypacker3
quote:admin pay?
Why is health care and college tuition so high? You get one guess…
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:24 pm to bobBoxer
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admin pay?
Try again.
Government interference is the answer.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:26 pm to POTUS2024
quote:I would love to hear it man
Healthcare gets cheaper when the government butts out and it will get massively cheaper if we go to a cash system, which I have a plan for.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:45 pm to Indefatigable
quote:i can see how government interference could make things expensive, but I'm also hesitant of the health care industry governing their own prices, considering how they acted during 2020 and the whole COVID situation, and I'm not sure I trust the public schools to govern their own prices neither
Government interference is the answer.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:46 pm to ShinerHorns
quote:
Free market forces dictate a fair price.
That was true until federal back student loans and Pell grants
Posted on 6/30/23 at 3:50 pm to bobBoxer
quote:
Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
To make college cheaper you would have to cut-out the administrative bloat and all of the fancy student services that are now offered.
That means a full scale attack on higher education, an industry that is overwhelmingly Democrat.
Nope. The education bubble will have to burst on its own.
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