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re: Why exactly are some Conservatives Pro-Russia?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:40 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:40 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Russia is more traditional than Western Europe and the United States.
This is what the result of the constant drumbeat of Russian propaganda. Russia is a social and cultural cesspool. Alcoholism, abortion and domestic violence are the most common values of Russian society.
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:41 pm to Grinder
Just because I don’t support funding Ukraine to continue a at that should have been negotiated to an end by now doesn’t mean I support Russia. Rational people are able to see both sides in a conflict and don’t have to pick a side.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:42 pm to Grinder
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but Russia is led by the worst man on the planet.
Complete ignorant take.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:46 pm to sta4ever
Putin is a bad hombre, and I am 100% with you on the Christian aspect.
But the insinuation on Trump ("rise of stupidity in this country"), is exactly why the libs are losing everywhere. What does Trump's rise have to do with the rise of LePen, the AfD, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands? Its the invasion of migrants who share no cultural ties. Multi culturalism is a failed ideology. Liberals will continue to lose ground in each election cycle if they want to spout about how good all this diversity is for everyone
But the insinuation on Trump ("rise of stupidity in this country"), is exactly why the libs are losing everywhere. What does Trump's rise have to do with the rise of LePen, the AfD, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands? Its the invasion of migrants who share no cultural ties. Multi culturalism is a failed ideology. Liberals will continue to lose ground in each election cycle if they want to spout about how good all this diversity is for everyone
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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bonus points if anyone can explain what this has to do with NATO.
When you lead with this…I’m not sure we can have an honest, fruitful discussion.
This is the problem with you.
You have decided that none of this has anything to do with NATO. Therefore, it has nothing to do with NATO. And anything to the contrary of your formed idea, you dismiss. Even when the reality is Russia’s cornerstone policy that it views NATO encroachment to eastern Russian borders as a hostile act and , specifically to Ukraine, as unacceptable.
Your idea is those interests aren’t real or legitimate. Therefore, they are to be dismissed. And nothing I will say will change that idea you have formed in your mind. Not the Russians I know that tell me NATO encroachment is hostile to Russia and threatens Russian interests. Not the Russian general who visited my class back in the early 1990s who said the number 1 security threat to Russia is its encirclement by US and NATO bases. Not the Russian officials who have repeatedly said so as a cornerstone policy for years and years. Not the fact that there is no way we would accept Russian and Chinese military bases in Mexico or Canada or some other near country. We almost kicked off WW3 because of Russian missiles in Cuba. You will dismiss all of it because you have deemed it unconvincing to your view. So you will dismiss real concerns and reality.
And that is when you end up with conflict. We have conflict now and to resolve it, the interests of both sides must be considered. Otherwise, we will have to return to one side destroying the other through attrition. That means more destruction, more deaths, more deadweight losses. Some are okay with this. I view such as morally repugnant to the core.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:49 pm to Grinder
Russia is an adversary, not an enemy. You don’t have to be pro Russia to want the EU to carry some of its own weight.
For a very long time they haven’t met their obligations, and it’s way past time to teach them they should. Letting Russia pay a price to teach it doesn’t hurt us, and if we are the successful negotiators in resolving this, it opens possibilities in turning Russia into an ally against China.
Who is a mortal enemy.
For a very long time they haven’t met their obligations, and it’s way past time to teach them they should. Letting Russia pay a price to teach it doesn’t hurt us, and if we are the successful negotiators in resolving this, it opens possibilities in turning Russia into an ally against China.
Who is a mortal enemy.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:49 pm to TBoy
Correct. They dont respect women (high domestic violence rates), they have poor work ethic, and their alcoholism rates are off the charts. Russians are not Western in any shape or form. They are closer to mongols than Westerners. The Orthodox church was subservient to the KGB until the USSR collapse. Now its subservient to the FSB. They are not real Christians
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:50 pm to LuckyTiger
Not wanting to start WWIII over Ukraine does not = Pro Russia. Wasn't it Hillary who wanted a Russian reset?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:52 pm to TBoy
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This is what the result of the constant drumbeat of Russian propaganda.
You've never been there
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:52 pm to 1897
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On it's face, I really just like Putin better than Zelenszky.
ooooof
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:54 pm to llfshoals
The message you posted is not what the OP is referring to. There is a segment of the conservative base who does not see Russia as an adversary - they see them as a savior of traditional christian values. What these traditional values are, I could not tell you, since Putin is a puppet of Xi, and he is only able to secure his own position in Russia by aligning with a Muslim warlord.
The EU needs to be left to its own devices. They have treated our country horribly and are ungrateful for the million+ casualties America has shed them for, and the trillions in financial and security aid we have subsidized them with in the past century.
It is also impossible to turn Russia against China. China owns the Russian economy. Xi is also very good friends with Putin. They have met 40+ times on record in the past decade, and that is just the public record. There is a reason they define their countries relationship as "no limits"
The EU needs to be left to its own devices. They have treated our country horribly and are ungrateful for the million+ casualties America has shed them for, and the trillions in financial and security aid we have subsidized them with in the past century.
It is also impossible to turn Russia against China. China owns the Russian economy. Xi is also very good friends with Putin. They have met 40+ times on record in the past decade, and that is just the public record. There is a reason they define their countries relationship as "no limits"
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:55 pm to wutangfinancial
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Also... Is no one going to point out that Russia has 2x as many abortions per capita as the EU?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:59 pm to sta4ever
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Anyone who sides with Putin, will be next to him for an eternity in hell. No true Christian can support that man.
You do not speak for Christians. You side child groomers and baby murderers.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:00 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Putin comes up with crimes against any Oligarch he doesnt like and seizes their assets.
Any state can do this, and many do. This is not unique to communism.
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Russia is more of an organized crime state than it is communist these days
I won’t argue that the Russian government is altruistic or not rife with corruption. However, I’m not so comfortable anymore wearing my pearls considering what has been laid bare concerning what our own government does with our tax dollars. Many would refer to it as organized crime on a mass scale.
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communism was always a intellectual term for the state being a mafia
No, it was not. Communism is a political ideology based upon the philosophy of Karl Marx that is grounded in the total control and ownership of property and the means of production by the state, conceivably for the benefit of the proletariat. Communism is ideological and the Soviet Union was committed to spreading the ideology of communism throughout the world, by violence if necessary.
Russia is not the Soviet Union.
Russia is not communist.
There is no policy of spreading communism throughout the world by Russia.
Those things no longer exist.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:01 pm to Grinder
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Russia is led by the worst man on the planet.
Hi Hillary
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:03 pm to llfshoals
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Who is a mortal enemy.
Ive met Russians. Nice folks...theyd be just like Americans if they had grown up here. I have no idea why on earth we should hate them. All the same exact criticisms of Russia...could be said of America. In fact, America has invaded more sovereign countries than Russia has. Even now, can anyone answer why we invaded Afghanistan?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:04 pm to GeauxBurrow312
quote:Never say never. They are traditional enemies, despite the communist history they share.
It is also impossible to turn Russia against China.
Both are very old countries with a long history of enmity.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:05 pm to scottydoesntknow
I didn’t say Russia is a mortal enemy. China is.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:07 pm to Grinder
I am a social conservative above all else and I see Putin fighting globalhomo. I admire that and want it here.
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