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re: Why is abortion so important to the Left?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:29 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:29 pm to FooManChoo
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Intent... The curse is meant for the woman and if a child died as the result, that would be an unintended consequence.
If the priest intends to inflict a swollen abdomen, rotting thighs, and a barren uterus on a potentially pregnant woman, he clearly has no interest in preserving the health of the baby inside the woman.
Even if the curse is deserving, why not wait until you're sure the woman is without child? Would you greenlight the execution of a pregnant woman?
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An abortion is an intended termination of a child’s life. A miscarriage is an accidental termination of a child’s life, meaning that the action performed that resulted in the death of the child was not done with the purpose of killing the child.
And manslaughter is the accidental killing of another. It's still considered bad. Why is the Bible promoting such behavior?
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:32 pm to FooManChoo
quote:No, I think you lack humility, which is supposedly a hallmark of the righteous.
Do you think he was of no value in the womb?
I think you have conclusions taught to you by your church and you make the Bible say what you want it to say to fit your conclusions
quote:Again with the lack of humility. I'm pro life. I think it's the right stance for a Christian. but I would never suggest that anyone who disagrees with me is "ignoring parts of the Bible," especially since you still can't provide a single verse from the Bible that forbids abortion.
All of it is biblical proof. To deny it is to deny the clarity of the scriptures.
quote:You're being disingenuous. You may not realize it, but you are. The "curse of barrenness" as you call it would kill the unborn child. If you can't be honest enough to admit that, I really have no interest in talking to you because I can't stand dishonest people
Are you familiar with Numbers 5 and the teaching there that encourages abortion if it is suspected that the woman has been unfaithful?
A miscarriage (which is the possible worst case scenario) is not the same as an abortion. The purpose of the test was to identify infidelity and punish it with the curse of barrenness. The reason why this curse was so bad was that children were considered a blessing. Abortion would have been appalling in that society.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:38 pm to Azkiger
quote:The entire process is done according to God’s decree and God is the one implementing the curse of the woman is guilty. It’s not up to the priest. God can give life and take it away.
If the priest intends to inflict a swollen abdomen, rotting thighs, and a barren uterus on a potentially pregnant woman, he clearly has no interest in preserving the health of the baby inside the woman.
quote:It’s God who is the “executioner”, and He can do as He pleases with His creation.
Even if the curse is deserving, why not wait until you're sure the woman is without child? Would you greenlight the execution of a pregnant woman?
quote:The Bible does make a distinction between premeditated murder and accidental manslaughter. The priest is not the equivalent to an abortion doctor.
And manslaughter is the accidental killing of another. It's still considered bad. Why is the Bible promoting such behavior?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:43 pm to FooManChoo
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The entire process is done according to God’s decree and God is the one implementing the curse of the woman is guilty. It’s not up to the priest. God can give life and take it away.
I'd expect such an answer from someone who sees the logic in having wives whose husbands suspect they've been unfaithful consume dust from a temple's floor.
You're the Christian version of DisplacedBuckeye.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:46 pm to L.A.
It's simple, before they had Ukraine, Planned Parenthood was their launderer.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:48 pm to Azkiger
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What's the difference between a miscarriage brought about by the purposeful behavior of the priest and an abortion brought about by the purposeful behavior of a doctor?
The miscarriage (which isn’t even necessarily the translation of the text) is not a result of the activity of the priest. It is the judgment of God for the adulterous behavior.
If the same activity of the priest did not bring death for the fetus of the faithful accused, it’s not the activity of the priest that determines life or death.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:49 pm to Rip Torn
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Oh look, an angry former Christian who thinks he has all the answers because his lifestyle didn’t fit the teachings lol it’s the angry God argument
It isn't anger. The closest you'd come to being correct would be to call it indifference. If you need to believe nonsense to be a better person, go for it. I'm not trying to stop you. I'm pointing out that your religion doesn't give a good enough reason to let the government walk all over someone else.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:50 pm to the808bass
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The miscarriage (which isn’t even necessarily the translation of the text) is not a result of the activity of the priest. It is the judgment of God for the adulterous behavior.
Why are you calling it a miscarriage if it's the direct judgment of God?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:50 pm to Azkiger
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I'd expect such an answer from someone who sees the logic in having wives whose husbands suspect they've been unfaithful consume dust from a temple's floor.
There’s no logic involved in the process. That’s the point. It’s God’s justice that brings order. Not the dust from the temple floor.
It’s kind of amazing how you can’t see the point of the text because you’re so caught up in how stupid you think Christians are.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:50 pm to Azkiger
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Azkiger
Dude, you got tripped up on the word "medical."
You're in no position to call anyone out. Even Foo, for all his faults.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:50 pm to Azkiger
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Why are you calling it a miscarriage if it's the direct judgment of God?
Because that’s the verbiage you were using. Got any other stupid questions? (Hint: you do.)
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Dude, you got tripped up on the word "medical."
I was the one who could answer questions about the word medical.
You were the one who could not.
Facts.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:52 pm to L.A.
quote:How do you think I'm lacking humility? I'll say with Paul that I'm the chief of sinners. I'm a Calvinist, which means I recognize my total inability to save myself and that all of salvation is the work of God; I contribute nothing but my sin that makes it necessary.
No, I think you lack humility, which is supposedly a hallmark of the righteous.
My confidence in the scriptures is based on the scriptures, themselves, not anything in me.
quote:I'm using the scriptures to interpret the scriptures. Have you no response to what I've provided so far? An alternate viewpoint that makes sense of Jeremiah, Samson, Jesus and John the Baptist? What about the value of children to the Israelites (it was a curse to be barren)? Even the examples of "abortion" in the Bible are not good examples for emulation or meant to be followed (there's a difference between a historical account and a command).
I think you have conclusions taught to you by your church and you make the Bible say what you want it to say to fit your conclusions
I'm curious how you would interpret the passages I provided. So far, you've said what amounts to "well that's your opinion". My view is the orthodox (historical) view. You can go all the way back to the 1st century if you want additional support. The Didache condemns abortion, as well, as an application of biblical principles.
quote:Why do you say that? I take the orthodox position on the matter and am using sound hermeneutical principles to understand what the Bible teaches. Why do you think I'm lacking in humility?
Again with the lack of humility.
quote:Why? You seem to have a problem basing your pro-life position on the Bible given your pushback on what I've said so far. What reasoning do you have to be pro-life that does not amount to arbitrary prefence?
I'm pro life.
quote:Why do you think it's the right stance for a Christian? What knowledge of Christian doctrine or understanding of the Bible do you have to support your conclusion that it's the "right stance for a Christian". I've provided support for why it's the right stance for a Christian, yet you seem to be arguing against that.
I think it's the right stance for a Christian. but I would never suggest that anyone who disagrees with me is "ignoring parts of the Bible,"
quote:That's not how this works. You can't find the word "Trinity" in the Bible in reference to the godhead, yet the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly taught all throughout. The Bible provides principles for guidance, and there is nothing in the Bible that can lead anyone to the conclusion that abortion is a neutral issue. Just the opposite, and I've already provided many Bible verses and passages to support my position.
especially since you still can't provide a single verse from the Bible that forbids abortion.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:53 pm to the808bass
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Because that’s the verbiage you were using.
Bzzzt.
That's the verbiage Foo was using. I accepted his point of view on the matter for the sake of argument.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:53 pm to Azkiger
Oh shite. I didn’t trace the lineage of the word through the argument. Let’s plumb the depths of more stupidity.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:53 pm to Azkiger
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I was the one who could answer questions about the word medical.
No, you weren't. I wasn't the only one who pointed it out for you.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:54 pm to the808bass
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Oh shite. I didn’t trace the lineage of the word through the argument.
No one forced you to opine.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It isn't anger.
Correct. It’s guilt and shame.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:55 pm to Azkiger
quote:I'll pray for your soul. I hope the Lord shows mercy to you and saves you.
I'd expect such an answer from someone who sees the logic in having wives whose husbands suspect they've been unfaithful consume dust from a temple's floor.
You're the Christian version of DisplacedBuckeye.
Repent of your sins and seek forgiveness through Jesus Christ, the son of God, who fulfilled the demands of the law in His perfect life, died an unjust death on the cross as a sacrifice for sins on our behalf, and was raised to life so that we will one day be raised. Believe in Him alone before it is too late. Hell is too terrible of a place to let pride take you there.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:56 pm to Azkiger
No one is forcing you to trip over yourself through this thread. And yet here you are.
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