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re: Will Islam fracture Britain? The Economist
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:12 am to IslandBuckeye
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:12 am to IslandBuckeye
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Neither will USA.
The US has an armed populace willing to do something.
For now.
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:13 am to Wildcat1996
If enough of the "refugees" in Europe suddenly whipped out guns, they could take over disarmed Europe in one day. That day will come if the US population is ever disarmed. We're the last bastion.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:13 am to Wildcat1996
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Robert Putnam, a Harvard sociologist, has demonstrated that support for the provision of public goods falls sharply if people think that the recipients are strikingly different from them.
That's the entire conversation. That's why the nordic nations held up as perfection largely work, and why there will be inevitable unrest in the UK, Germany, etc.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:15 am to Wildcat1996
Culture is a living organism, a supra organism, with a finite lifespan.
When a healthy culture comes into contact with an alien one, it retrenches, and throws up walls to preserve itself.
When a healthy culture comes into contact with an alien one, it retrenches, and throws up walls to preserve itself.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:22 am to CoachChappy
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The same people who support gays and transgenders also supported importing Muslims.
I’ll never understand it
Because you are looking at the strange juxtaposition logically. Liberal/progressives don't do that. They ONLY see the world through the prism of "victims" and "oppressors". While the morals and values of those two groups appear to be completely at odds, the common tie in the minds of progressives is that they are both "victims" of western civilization.
If you are a "progressive" you ALWAYS have to be "progressing". Otherwise your entire self identity collapses. Therefore, nothing is ever "good enough". NOTHING. If the world had no problems Liberals/progressives would manufacture them. In fact, that is EXACTLY what you are seeing now. We are living in the most peaceful, diverse and tolerant period in the history of humanity. Yet, you turn on the TV/computer and you would think this is the worst time to be alive. There ALWAYS has to be "victim" to identify with and/or fight for and evil person/group to fight against...all in the name of progress.
So while the views on homosexuality between Muslims and homosexuals are POLAR OPPOSITES, liberals/progressives can easily ignore that inconvenient truth and see BOTH as "victims"
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:24 am to Wildcat1996
Read about the Spanish Reconquista
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:31 am to SantaFe
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Read about the Spanish Reconquista
Spanish men may have the balls to save their own society, but, I question whether those from more northerly climes do.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:32 am to Wildcat1996
Sounds like a good read, looking forward to it. It should not be controversial that islam is incompatible with western civilization.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:01 am to Lynxrufus2012
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America - watch and see. If we don't change we are next.
Another great consequence of liberalism
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:12 am to oleheat
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When you import the third world, you become the third world."
Liberals think western (white) countries have an infinite duty to import the third world and will magically be better off for it.
Liberals do not hold any non white country to this standard.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:13 am to Lynxrufus2012
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They are surrendering to the dark ages of ignorance, intolerance and evil.
Are surrendering?
It's a done deal. You think the Brits have the nads to physically toss Islam from the Island?
That's what it will take.
Here too.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:15 am to Champagne
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ISLAM. Islam can stop the Left.
This has often occurred to me. The left is importing it’s own destruction. I don’t even know who to root for.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:22 am to Wildcat1996
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The British establishment that presided over the immigration which followed the second world war expected Islamic migrants to melt into wider society and relax their religious views
No they didn't
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:31 am to CoachChappy
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The same people who support gays and transgenders also supported importing Muslims.
I’ll never understand it
Democrats, Progressives, liberals, whatever you want to call them, are just a hodgepodge of groups that are philosophically at odds with one another yet for some reason are banded together. It's the most massive Hoodwink I've ever seen. And defies logic.
Hispanics, all about work ethic, family and traditional gender roles and despises gays - so let's vote Democrat
Blacks, very religious, despises gays, disparages women - so let's vote Democrat
Europeans, white as white can be, completely homogeneous- so let's vote their version of Democrat
Women, terrified of becoming a victim of black violence, wants their own sports leagues where they can be free to compete on a Level Playing Field with one another and not physically dominant males, mama bear that wants to protect their children from pedophiles- so let's vote Democrat
Hippies - despises authoritarianism and war, doesn't believe in modern medicine and compelled vaccinations - so let's vote Democrat
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:34 am to Vegas Eddie
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Surprising to me that the French seem to fight this harder than the Brits
France is overall an atheist country that cherished its culture and has been the victim of many different foreign invasions throughout its history. England hasn’t been invaded in a thousand years and has gotten lazy sitting on their island while Europe constantly burns. But if France really is the state that kicks off the mass expulsion of Muslims in the west you will see a bleed over into other countries I think. Their proximity to and linked history with the British is to great to ignore and it would only require coordination through nationalist groups to ferry weapons across the English Channel. Britain is already unwilling to stop the flood of sub Saharan Africans from across the channel, it would be fairly easy to ship some left over weapons from the Yugoslav wars or from Czechia there. Brexit was at its heart about stopping third world immigration with greater economic autonomy coming second. The Tories (like our Republicans here) have betrayed this voting blocs will and the promise of more commonwealth immigrants is not something white British conservatives want. But this will all have to happen due to something on continental Europe, Britain won’t be the spark that lights the fuse.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:38 am to Rex Feral
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It's a third column that will destroy Britain from within. I was in London a couple years back and there are areas in town with Arabic only signs. They have no interest becoming part of society. This is what happens when people stop having children. It creates a lack of a labor force which requires huge numbers if immigrants to fill the jobs. It's happened before and it will continue to happen again. Nothing is new under the sun
It's one of the reasons that the United States has been so successful. Dispersed, multi-level, bottom-up governmental power structure protects the country from sweeping uniformity. Europe has always had conflict because of their centralized, Federal, authority structure. The founders understood this and gave us something different.
Federalism and states rights is our number one guard against the cycle of prosperity > falling birth rates > labor shortages > mass immigration > domestic conflict > Anarchy > reset > start the cycle over again.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:45 am to Alt26
There you go.
You summed it up better than I did
You summed it up better than I did
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:49 am to Wildcat1996
This is the kind of writing I used to love in The Economist. They went off the rails in their coverage of Trump. I hope they are righting the ship now, but I’m still no fan of the EIC.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:56 am to Vegas Eddie
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Surprising to me that the French seem to fight this harder than the Brits
I used to dislike the French for looking down on us and being overly proud of their own culture. As I get older I very much admire it.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:23 am to Wildcat1996
I’m honestly excited about what the future might hold for the Britain’s. The island has a rich history of being a melting pot, they use to be more Celtic, then latinized, then throw in some Germanic. Now a little Arabic. Many countries will become profoundly nationalistic when they are left to fend for themselves for a few generations and a new distinct island identity will appear.
Or they might all just kill themselves in the process and Russia will become the European power house.
Or they might all just kill themselves in the process and Russia will become the European power house.
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