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Posted on 12/18/16 at 10:50 am to goatmilker
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Agnostic sure. Atheist probably no.
But why? You don't need to believe in a god to be a good person and do your job. Prisons are not filled with Atheists and Agnostics. Hell, many Atheists and Agnostics do attend a church. They just attend Unitarian Universalist churches. Most Atheists and Agnostics are very open minded and enjoy learning about other religions even if they don't believe in particular deities.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:42 am to dmjones
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Most Atheists and Agnostics are very open minded and enjoy learning about other religions even if they don't believe in particular deities.
True. The only thing I would say in opposition to that statement is that throughout history men have sought to define the term Deity. Reference the Acts of the Apostles and you see Paul debating the stoic philosphers of Athens. These philosphers were considered the best and brightest minds of their day and here you see Paul appealing to their underlying need for a deity when he proclaims, "Men of Athens, wherever I look I find you scrupulously religious. Why, in examining your monuments as I passed by them, I found among others an altar which bore the inscription, To the unknown God. And it is this unknown object of your devotion that I am revealing to you."(Acts 17:22-24) In the end they scoffed at his revelations, sent him away with this sterile invite, "We must hear more from you about this."
IMO what turns people off about Christianity (or many forms of organized religion) is the outright thievery conducted by some so-called religious. Over the years I've seen some heartbreaking examples of this abuse. The problem with religion (especially some so-called Christian denominations) is that it has been used to separate folks from their money and in at least two cases - their lives (i.e.Jonestown,Guyana). I need not mention David Koresh.
Long ago, a lot of folks have figured out they can make a darned good living preaching from the "Good Book". The way I see it, the basic requirements to be a successful evangelical minister of the cloth are: 1) ability to speak well in front of a large crowd, 2) the more handsome and charismatic you are the better, 3) know some basic scripture verses, 4) have lots of hair - preferably black, 5) have a wife who can play the piano, 6) most important, NEVER preach a sermon that makes the congregation uncomfortable. Some of these so-called preachers are nothing more than con men (or women). It's downright scandalous.
Religion should comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:10 pm to dmjones
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Most Atheists and Agnostics are very open minded and enjoy learning about other religions even if they don't believe in particular deities.
I would submit that the main reason they study the subject is to make fun of believers.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:31 pm to Revelator
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I would submit that the main reason they study the subject is to make fun of believers.
Not every Atheist makes fun of believers. Most don't. My wife and I are Atheists. Her family is very religious. They attend church every time it's in session, tithe thousands per year, don't drink or smoke, volunteer in the community. They don't have a clue that we're Atheists because we don't talk about it in real life. The same applies to our Christian friends. We just try to live good lives and set a good example for our son.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:46 pm to Revelator
I assume none of them really believe anyway.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:46 pm to Revelator
I would not; as a matter of promotion of a valued Principle. Not that I would disrespect any Atheist for their (non) belief...but realizing that to the degree that a Society or Government does not believe that all Individuals are an extension of the Divine...then the default value of Culture and Law becomes that they are an extension of Nature. I.e., like Nature, morally unaccountable, feeling-less and indifferent, equally worthless, doomed to non-existence...and ultimately meaningless as such.
The Founders knew this. It's laid out clearly in the Book "The Five Thousand Year Leap". Abandonment of the Idea of God...down we go.
Under such a Nature-based (non) Spiritual Paradigm, there is no OBJECTIVE morality...only efficiency, based on whatever subjective opinion holds power.
"The fool professes in his heart that there is no God". Spot on.
Merry Christmas Rev.
The Founders knew this. It's laid out clearly in the Book "The Five Thousand Year Leap". Abandonment of the Idea of God...down we go.
Under such a Nature-based (non) Spiritual Paradigm, there is no OBJECTIVE morality...only efficiency, based on whatever subjective opinion holds power.
"The fool professes in his heart that there is no God". Spot on.
Merry Christmas Rev.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:47 pm to RCDfan1950
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The Founders knew this
Several of the founders were Atheists and Agnostics. Many others were simply Deists.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:50 pm to Revelator
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I would submit that the main reason they study the subject is to make fun of believers.
The main reason so many atheists/agnostics know religion so well is because they were raised religious. In America, two of every three non-believers were practicing Christians in the past.
That being said, if your religion is so easily mocked perhaps it's time re-evaluate your beliefs. Nobody studies physics to mock physicists.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:54 pm to RCDfan1950
It then begs the question: If it could be shown God doesn't exist, would we want it known? Or is living in the Matrix so to speak better for society?
There are certainly times where we all acknowledge that truth is not the best policy.
There are certainly times where we all acknowledge that truth is not the best policy.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:54 pm to RCDfan1950
Merry Christmas RCD
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:55 pm to Revelator
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I would submit that the main reason they study the subject is to make fun of believers.
Or because I can read two books (Bible and Qur'an) and better understand the beliefs and culture of about 4 billion human beings?
I've studied both of them and found them wanting, and that's why I'm not a believer/practitioner. But I never use my knowledge of them as a sword to mock believers. Unfortunately, I do sometimes have to use it as a shield against the same.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:55 pm to Revelator
The short answer is I would not consider an atheists by choice.
I find it harder to believe there is nothing than something.
I find it harder to believe there is nothing than something.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:59 pm to Revelator
Sure. Might be refreshing to have a president not openly pandering for the religious vote. We need a leader focused on real world issues, not fairytale ones.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:00 pm to Revelator
No
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:00 pm to Cucks Unlimited
quote:Look. He is "that" guy.
fairytale
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That being said, if your religion is so easily mocked perhaps it's time re-evaluate your beliefs. Nobody studies physics to mock physicists.
Physics is something tangible and can be seen and proven. Faith in God cannot be tangibly proven and thus, opens itself to mockery from those who enjoy mocking. The Bible itself predicted mockers and scoffers would come, so I'm not surprised or particularly bothered by it.
My faith isn't dependent on someone else's beliefs or non beliefs.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:02 pm to Cucks Unlimited
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Sure. Might be refreshing to have a president not openly pandering for the religious vote. We need a leader focused on real world issues, not fairytale ones.
Well we already have candidates that embrace global warming fairytales so ...
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:03 pm to Revelator
No
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:06 pm to Revelator
You can I guess believe that man isn't the cause but it's pretty silly to not believe the globe is seeing a rise in temps. There is a mountain of data supporting it
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