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re: WSJ has obtained inventory of documents taken from raid
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:51 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:51 pm to Godfather1
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They were sure looking to go full Paulie Walnuts on Melania’s panties, though.
Wouldn't you?
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:51 pm to AggieHank86
How in the world can you defend that?
Might as well keep it safe and out of the hands of the enemy that is our government. It's safer with trump. Seriously he is the ONLY man in the world I'd trust that with having that info. There isn't a virtuous person in our federal government at this moment. they all should be locked up.
Might as well keep it safe and out of the hands of the enemy that is our government. It's safer with trump. Seriously he is the ONLY man in the world I'd trust that with having that info. There isn't a virtuous person in our federal government at this moment. they all should be locked up.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:51 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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Legality aside, do you think it is remotely for Trump to declassify the documents that have been reported - including documents that have names of US intelligence assets - so that he can take them home with him?
How in the world can you defend that?
This is what you WANT it to be. You have no idea what it actually is. There's a huge difference there.
Until it's proven that this is the case, NO ONE on either side is going to budge.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:51 pm to ChapelHillSooner
Double post
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
In October 2020, Trump tweeted, “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!”
The Heritage Foundation's Stimson has a view, given that Trump was once "the ultimate declassification authority."
“If any president decides to declassify a document and doesn’t tell anybody — but he has made the decision to declassify something — then the document is declassified,” Stimson said.
He added that “there’s a rich debate about whether or not a document is declassified if a president has decided but not communicated it outside of his own head,” but Stimson said he would rather be the defense than the prosecution if the dispute ever went to trial.
The Heritage Foundation's Stimson has a view, given that Trump was once "the ultimate declassification authority."
“If any president decides to declassify a document and doesn’t tell anybody — but he has made the decision to declassify something — then the document is declassified,” Stimson said.
He added that “there’s a rich debate about whether or not a document is declassified if a president has decided but not communicated it outside of his own head,” but Stimson said he would rather be the defense than the prosecution if the dispute ever went to trial.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:52 pm to NashvilleTider
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according to the law - when Trump took them out of the whitehouse they became declassified. that's how this works
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:52 pm to NCIS_76
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So it’s classified but WSJ is taking inventory of if?
Maybe I am missing something. My interpretation is that they have a very high level description of the documents. They do not have the documents.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:52 pm to loogaroo
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As long as he took it while POTUS and it's in his possession, it's declassified
This is probably a pretty grey area. Kash Patel even indicated that the "classification markings" weren't formally changed by White House counsel, but that Trump really did mean for them to be declassifed.
Then there's this quote from Mark Meadows, after Trump went on Twitter and said everything about Hillary and the email server was declassed
quote:
When news organizations sought to obtain the supposedly declassified documents, they were told they were still under wraps. Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows said in a sworn court filing in the case, “The president indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents.”
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:53 pm to ChapelHillSooner
Green Chili Tiger
Show me where that isn't truth - I saw it on twitter this morning by a highly respect trump lawyer
Show me where that isn't truth - I saw it on twitter this morning by a highly respect trump lawyer
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:58 pm to Ag Zwin
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He should have just sent them to a personal email account on a server in his basement.
100,000,000,000 upvotes.
One for each $ FJB, DEMS AND RINOS are sending to Ukraine.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:01 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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Legality aside, do you think it is remotely for Trump to declassify the documents that have been reported - including documents that have names of US intelligence assets - so that he can take them home with him?
You understand that "home" is a building under constant secret survive surveillance and protection, right? So any random jackass gets too close, they get arrested and potentially shot if they appear to be a threat. The only way anybody would get access is in a raid like the FBI conducted.
Those documents were more secure there than most any other place in the country. Certainly, they were more secure than sitting on a random server that could be accessed by foreign agencies.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:01 pm to lesserof2weevils
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He should have put them in the bunker I guess he’s going to hide in when his own country gets nuked because he sold nuke secrets to people who want to nuke the country he lives in and wants to be president of because money.
No idea why this is getting downvoted. I got it.
Then again, I'm surprised I only have one downvote for starting with "Trump is such a dumbass".
A lot of posters here won't read through to the punchline after that setup.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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There's been no evidence that any actual Top Secret or Classified documents were there. THe FBI had access to these documents including just in June, and did nothing.
And is there any evidence he declassified said documents? Where's the paper trail?
A President doesn't simply say "I hereby declare these documents declassified" and voila, there it is. There are laws, procedures and regulations that govern this.
Where's the paper trail?
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:04 pm to Pandy Fackler
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And they aren't declassified if he didn't follow proper laws and regulations to declassify them.
He can't just wave his dick over them and declare them declassified. It doesn't work that way.
Garland is taking that position; however, the ability to declassify documents is pretty broad and given by the constituation. Legislation generally can't restrain that power. See Department of the Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518 (1988)
I don't know if Trump invoked the dick waiving method of declassification, but it seems the current dispute is on when he waived his dick and how many documents he waived his dick over rather than if he did so by some specific process.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What constitutes a “set of classified information”?
Stuff that the FBI doesn't want a non-Clinton to have on their home server.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:05 pm to Pandy Fackler
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And they aren't declassified if he didn't follow proper laws and regulations to declassify them.
He can't just wave his dick over them and declare them declassified. It doesn't work that way.
I declare bankruptcy!
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:06 pm to NashvilleTider
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according to the law - when Trump took them out of the whitehouse they became declassified. that's how this works
Not even fricking close.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
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subject to seal.
Or should the statement be "subject to steal"?
Well, the alphabet agencies should be working on their seals.
Those offices leak like a screen door on a submarine.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:11 pm to Ag Zwin
Thank you.
Sometimes sarcasm is hard, and can’t be appreciated by the masses.
Sometimes sarcasm is hard, and can’t be appreciated by the masses.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
see? IMMEDIATE leaks.
But muh professionalism...
muh integrity of the rank and file...
But muh professionalism...
muh integrity of the rank and file...
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