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re: 2015/2016 Transfer Discussion
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I just fail to see the ridicule when Luke Shaw went for 27+4 add ons as a LB. This is just the going rate for high potential young, English players.
And it's easy to say "Don't buy English," but the alternatives haven't shown anymore than Sterling in lesser leagues on smaller stages. That creates additional risk in the transfer, which accounts for why the player is so much cheaper.
And it's easy to say "Don't buy English," but the alternatives haven't shown anymore than Sterling in lesser leagues on smaller stages. That creates additional risk in the transfer, which accounts for why the player is so much cheaper.
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:06 pm to jturn17
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I just fail to see the ridicule when Luke Shaw went for 27+4 add ons as a LB. This is just the going rate for high potential young, English players.
No one argues that United didn't over pay for Shaw by 5-8 million. But making a 20 year old the most expensive English player ever is wild. Thats way more than the going rate.
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And it's easy to say "Don't buy English," but the alternatives haven't shown anymore than Sterling in lesser leagues on smaller stages. That creates additional risk in the transfer, which accounts for why the player is so much cheaper.
So you want to pay more for something thats not guaranteed??
If you need HG players use that academy for once.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Is it? That's the valuation Everton has put on Barkley, and he hasn't shown near what Sterling has. I think over the next 2-3 years this is going to be the market, and we're all just going to have to get used to it.
Thats way more than the going rate.
I think the fact that he's the most expensive English player ever is mostly a statement about the quality of the standard English player today. With scarcity comes increases in price.
quote:I think people are willing to pay more for something that has less risk involved, yes.
So you want to pay more for something thats not guaranteed??
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:15 pm to jturn17
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I just fail to see the ridicule when Luke Shaw went for 27+4 add ons as a LB. This is just the going rate for high potential young, English players.
Yeah, ManU convince players/clubs by overpaying fees and wages just like City.
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And it's easy to say "Don't buy English," but the alternatives haven't shown anymore than Sterling in lesser leagues on smaller stages.
Well, if not English, equally talented 20-21yo players typically sell for €15-20m instead of €70m.
I wouldn't trade Juan Iturbe for Sterling, for example, and Iturbe was bought for €20 instead of €70 last summer.
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This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:16 pm to jturn17
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Is it? That's the valuation Everton has put on Barkley, and he hasn't shown near what Sterling has. I think over the next 2-3 years this is going to be the market, and we're all just going to have to get used to it.
Bc he is Everton's guy thats wh
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I think the fact that he's the most expensive English player ever is mostly a statement about the quality of the standard English player today. With scarcity comes increases in price.
I def agree but 49 million is supposed to buy world class
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I think people are willing to pay more for something that has less risk involved, yes.
Less risk would be buying a proven player for less money than a 20 year old who hasn't been great on a record fee.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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No one argues that United didn't over pay for Shaw by 5-8 million. But making a 20 year old the most expensive English player ever is wild. Thats way more than the going rate.
He's shown WAY more potential than Shaw and can change games in ways Shaw can't. Sterling could be a fricking star in this league for years. He's shown some brilliant flashes.
It isn't that difficult to understand.
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If you need HG players use that academy for once.
Keep on parroting the r/soccer talking points. City has been pumping money into it for what...3 or 4 years? It takes time to produce quality youth. It will come in time. Until then, keep bitching that City is run like a real life FIFA game and expecting them to produce solid talent at the drop of a hat. It's laughable.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I def agree but 49 million is supposed to buy world class
It bought DiMaria. He's done dick. Unless you consider 3rd in assists in the EPL some big accomplishment. If that is what constitutes world class for you, I would LOVE to see what you think of a handful of other players.
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Less risk would be buying a proven player for less money than a 20 year old who hasn't been great on a record fee.
"Risk"
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:36 pm to Srbtiger06
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He's shown WAY more potential than Shaw and can change games in ways Shaw can't. Sterling could be a fricking star in this league for years. He's shown some brilliant flashes.
Keep trying to justify world class prices on flashes
He also shown he can be just a ghost on the field
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Keep on parroting the r/soccer talking points. City has been pumping money into it for what...3 or 4 years? It takes time to produce quality youth. It will come in time. Until then, keep bitching that City is run like a real life FIFA game and expecting them to produce solid talent at the drop of a hat. It's laughable.
Actually they been pumped money into since the take over and not produced one player since 2008. City went around the best young players in Europe for the academy for about the first 5 years and that experiment didn't pay off.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:37 pm to Srbtiger06
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It bought DiMaria. He's done dick. Unless you consider 3rd in assists in the EPL some big accomplishment. If that is what constitutes world class for you, I would LOVE to see what you think of a handful of other players.
He is a proven player on the highest level
Sterling is not
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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He is a proven player on the highest level
You just have to rag on it because it's City. I get it. It's cute. You're still wrong.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 6:48 pm to Srbtiger06
Seems Roma's DS Walter Sabatini just arrived in Manchester to offer City about £7m of what they just spent for Dzeko.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 6:50 pm to wm72
quote:I really like Iturbe, but by every standard Sterling has been better. Plus he's 2 years younger. Now that alone probably doesn't justify the price difference. But I don't see the argument for them being "equally talented." I mean maybe Iturbe is of equal talent, but it definitely hasn't been translated into production on the pitch.
Well, if not English, equally talented 20-21yo players typically sell for €15-20m instead of €70m.
I wouldn't trade Juan Iturbe for Sterling, for example, and Iturbe was bought for €20 instead of €70 last summer.
Aside: Difference in how fees are reported
City signs Sterling for 49m (44+5m)
United sign Schneiderlin for 24m (24+3m)
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 7:29 pm to jturn17
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I really like Iturbe, but by every standard Sterling has been better.
Has Sterling really been so much more productive/better?
Iturbe has averaged about a goal or assist every three matches in Serie A almost precisely like Sterling has in the EPL.
Sterling has played more matches (apprx 110 vs 70).
But, Iturbe was playing at a fairly high level with River until 2 seasons ago. Their stats are extremely similar in Europe and Iturbe only turned 22 a couple of weeks ago.
Sterling has featured for the national team but I can't see any way he would have if he were Argentinian like Iturbe.
I would say Sterling having not been injured like Iturbe was for much of this past season is probably the biggest thing that distinguishes them.
Iturbe is just as fast as Sterling, probably a better one on one dribbler and also defends with a vengeance. They are both rough around edges and not able to impose themselves consistently but show flashes of absolute world class ability all the time.
Again, none of this is to criticize Sterling. I think he'll be a very good player.
However, I do think that it's mainly the fanfare of the EPL and English media/fans that makes it seem like there's really any sizable gap between the two.
I also just picked Iturbe as an example I'm most familiar with but kids like Dybala or Bernardo Silva may well end up being twice as good as either of them even if Dybala did sell for more than Iturbe but still not half of Sterling's fee.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:23 pm to Mr Personality
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What is this shite? I thought Leicester was hiring Preki.
What is this shite? I thought Leicester was hiring Preki.
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Leicester City have made a bold bid to land Marseille boss Marcelo Bielsa.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:37 pm to Mr Personality
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Leicester City have made a bold bid to land Marseille boss Marcelo Bielsa.
Whoa... Love him in the EPL.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:05 pm to Mr Personality
that would be interesting as hell
Posted on 7/13/15 at 2:49 am to StraightCashHomey21
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If you need HG players use that academy for once.
Paddy McNair and James Wilson gonna wreck shite for sure.
And Man U bought another midfielder. Man U is the same as everyone else. Everyone is in the same game. Let's stop pretending Man U is any different. They'll jettison youth products, they'll overspend, they'll do the same damn thing City does, and do it all under FFP because they squeeze every last dime out of commercial deals. All the teams we support are the same. But to quote Brother Mouzone, "The game is the game."
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:28 am to crazy4lsu
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Paddy McNair and James Wilson gonna wreck shite for sure.
at least our kids are getting playing time
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And Man U bought another midfielder. Man U is the same as everyone else. Everyone is in the same game. Let's stop pretending Man U is any different. They'll jettison youth products, they'll overspend, they'll do the same damn thing City does, and do it all under FFP because they squeeze every last dime out of commercial deals. All the teams we support are the same. But to quote Brother Mouzone, "The game is the game."
Actually we don't operate like City does
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:31 am to crazy4lsu
Anyone who quotes Brother Mouzone gets an upvote
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