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An explanation as to why the Croatian fans did what they did yesterday
Posted on 6/18/16 at 5:42 am
Posted on 6/18/16 at 5:42 am
This is all by r/aliment on r/soccer. I did none of the research, but I didn't know any of this and I thought it was a great read.
Who did it and why?
In short, extremist football club supporters ('hooligans', 'ultras') who are unhappy with how the Croatian Football Federation (FF) is run and the (supposed) corruption within. They don't like the leadership with whom they are at war for years now. What happened today is their attempt at trying to force their way, embarrass the Croatian FF officials and incite outrage in the football world. By doing so, they hoped to disqualify the Croatian national football team from the EURO competition. They think this (amongst other things) will put enough pressure on the people they want to step down to step down.
This is not the first time they've done something like this and they are adamant to continue until their requests are satisfied. You might remember Croatia being punished/fined/disqualified 15+ times in the recent years due to disturbances such as this one (riots, clashes with the police, racism, pitch invasions, etc). Especially prominent was the swastika mowed into the Split stadium field the night before the EURO 2016 qualifier match against Italy.
Again, it is important to understand that these are not random acts of boredom or drunkenness; they are planned and precisely orchestrated to further an agenda.
Who specifically in the Croatian FF is the problem for them?
Mainly, Zdravko Mamic and Davor Suker.
Zdravko is the de facto director of the Croatian FF and Dinamo Zagreb football club.
Davor is the formal president of the Croatian FF and a member of the UEFA Executive Committee.
Shortly, the two most powerful characters in the world of Croatian football.
Zdravko is being accused of setting up unfair player contracts, purchasing referee decisions, tax evasion, ignoring supporters' wishes to participate in the club decision making, and interfering with the Croatian national football team. Some media outlets have published this picture of Zdravko giving instructions to the coach Ante Cacic before today's game. Some people claim he is the decision maker of who gets to be the coach of the national team and which players get to play. He is also criticised of selling hundreds of millions of euros worth of football potential from 'his' club (Modric, Corluka, Mandzukic, Eduardo da Silva, Sammir, Halilovic, Kovacic, Pranjic, Badelj, etc.) instead of increasing squad strength by keeping the players and competing in the major European tournaments (he defends himself by saying he creates great players and that he props up the Croatian economy by paying millions in taxes as well). As a result the club is seen as the transition point between Croatian meagreness and European superstar clubs; the general sentiment being that if you are a player and you want to succeed, you have to go through Mamic.
Davor is similarly accused of corruption and being a right hand to/of Zdravko.
The crazy thing that I didn't know, is that Mamic allegedly forces Zagreb players who sign with the team, to sign some kind of personal contract that forces them to pay 20-25 percent of their wages throughout their ENTIRE career to him. And if they refuse, then they don't make the national team and Croatian players families' safety is at risk. One of these such players is none other than Luka Modric and an example of one who refused to sign the 'private' contract is Dejan Lovren.
TL/DR Frick Croatia's FA.
Who did it and why?
In short, extremist football club supporters ('hooligans', 'ultras') who are unhappy with how the Croatian Football Federation (FF) is run and the (supposed) corruption within. They don't like the leadership with whom they are at war for years now. What happened today is their attempt at trying to force their way, embarrass the Croatian FF officials and incite outrage in the football world. By doing so, they hoped to disqualify the Croatian national football team from the EURO competition. They think this (amongst other things) will put enough pressure on the people they want to step down to step down.
This is not the first time they've done something like this and they are adamant to continue until their requests are satisfied. You might remember Croatia being punished/fined/disqualified 15+ times in the recent years due to disturbances such as this one (riots, clashes with the police, racism, pitch invasions, etc). Especially prominent was the swastika mowed into the Split stadium field the night before the EURO 2016 qualifier match against Italy.
Again, it is important to understand that these are not random acts of boredom or drunkenness; they are planned and precisely orchestrated to further an agenda.
Who specifically in the Croatian FF is the problem for them?
Mainly, Zdravko Mamic and Davor Suker.
Zdravko is the de facto director of the Croatian FF and Dinamo Zagreb football club.
Davor is the formal president of the Croatian FF and a member of the UEFA Executive Committee.
Shortly, the two most powerful characters in the world of Croatian football.
Zdravko is being accused of setting up unfair player contracts, purchasing referee decisions, tax evasion, ignoring supporters' wishes to participate in the club decision making, and interfering with the Croatian national football team. Some media outlets have published this picture of Zdravko giving instructions to the coach Ante Cacic before today's game. Some people claim he is the decision maker of who gets to be the coach of the national team and which players get to play. He is also criticised of selling hundreds of millions of euros worth of football potential from 'his' club (Modric, Corluka, Mandzukic, Eduardo da Silva, Sammir, Halilovic, Kovacic, Pranjic, Badelj, etc.) instead of increasing squad strength by keeping the players and competing in the major European tournaments (he defends himself by saying he creates great players and that he props up the Croatian economy by paying millions in taxes as well). As a result the club is seen as the transition point between Croatian meagreness and European superstar clubs; the general sentiment being that if you are a player and you want to succeed, you have to go through Mamic.
Davor is similarly accused of corruption and being a right hand to/of Zdravko.
The crazy thing that I didn't know, is that Mamic allegedly forces Zagreb players who sign with the team, to sign some kind of personal contract that forces them to pay 20-25 percent of their wages throughout their ENTIRE career to him. And if they refuse, then they don't make the national team and Croatian players families' safety is at risk. One of these such players is none other than Luka Modric and an example of one who refused to sign the 'private' contract is Dejan Lovren.
TL/DR Frick Croatia's FA.
This post was edited on 6/18/16 at 6:12 am
Posted on 6/18/16 at 7:09 am to McCaigBro69
Yeah they mentioned the corruption yesterday, not to that extent but damn that is crazy really.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 7:22 am to McCaigBro69
you copied that off reddit
but yea these problems have been brewing for a while. Fans are especially pissed the the preferential treatment Zagreb also gets.
but yea these problems have been brewing for a while. Fans are especially pissed the the preferential treatment Zagreb also gets.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 8:02 am to StraightCashHomey21
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you copied that off reddit
I guess you just disregarded the first sentence of the post where I literally credited the reddit user.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 8:03 am to McCaigBro69
Nope before opening it I already knew where you got it 
Posted on 6/18/16 at 8:04 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Nope
Lol I figured. It honestly is a pet peeve of mine when people don't credit reddit research hah.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:07 am to EastNastySwag
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Reddit; DR
Come on man, it took a lot of effort for me to copy and paste that.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:14 am to McCaigBro69
Players with dual nationality regularly get fricked at dinamo if they dont choose to play for croatia
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:15 am to McCaigBro69
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he defends himself by saying he creates great players and that he props up the Croatian economy by paying millions in taxes as well)
Yeah! That's why he was arrested for tax evasion and embezzled 118 million euros. And don't forget about the domestic league match fixing. They are all corrupt. Mamic is the real leader of the Croatian FA and Suker is just his right hand. Ante Cacic has no business coaching the team. A glorified PE teacher at best and one of Suker's boys, who'll keep quite and obey.
This post was edited on 6/18/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/18/16 at 11:02 am to McCaigBro69
Yeah so what do we do? .... Let's give the fans what they want and ruin the game, give a BS penalty in the 93 min to draw the game ensuring Croatia didn't qualify that night
Posted on 6/18/16 at 1:33 pm to MLSter
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Yeah so what do we do? .... Let's give the fans what they want and ruin the game, give a BS penalty in the 93 min to draw the game ensuring Croatia didn't qualify that night
It's honestly a situation where I don't know what's right. Obviously throwing flares onto the field and fricking the players over isn't something anyone wants, but will anything ever change if people just give up?
Really sounds just like a lose, lose for everyone.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 3:59 pm to McCaigBro69
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It's honestly a situation where I don't know what's right. Obviously throwing flares onto the field and fricking the players over isn't something anyone wants, but will anything ever change if people just give up?
Really sounds just like a lose, lose for everyone.
Yeah, like all corruption that runs to the top of financial/political power structures, it seems a difficult situation to resolve simply following the rules that power structure enforces.
The protests are definitely over the edge but it's also true that most football fans all over the world weren't really reading the issues presented in this thread before these protests did cross the line and on a big stage.
This post was edited on 6/18/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/18/16 at 6:39 pm to McCaigBro69
Met some Split fans in Etienne tibight who basically said exactly this
They looked like they would kick the guck out of anyone so I nodded in agreement the whole time
M
Also said they were planning the same vs Spain
They looked like they would kick the guck out of anyone so I nodded in agreement the whole time
M
Also said they were planning the same vs Spain
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:24 pm to McCaigBro69
It's political protest at a soccer game.
And it's the Balkans, they will never stop fighting. Those frickers started WWI.
And it's the Balkans, they will never stop fighting. Those frickers started WWI.
This post was edited on 6/18/16 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:31 pm to dgnx6
It seems to be quite specifically protesting the politics of the soccer power structure in Croatia even if the wider politics of those ultras is likely sketchy to say the least.
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