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re: Arsenal 18/19 Season Thread
Posted on 8/18/18 at 11:13 pm to Mengel97
Posted on 8/18/18 at 11:13 pm to Mengel97
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Unai is Wenger 2.0 version. Some of you said that we have quality players? Please name them. Ozil? Lazy as frick. Ramsey? What quality does he have? Running like headless chicken around the field. Auba? It's ok about him, he maybe had a bad day. Not to mention Xhaka... When Iwobi is our best player then you know everything is wrong. Even if Guardiola comes, he can not do anything with this team. They are all useless. It's time for Emery to bench this 'stars' such as Ozil and find another solution.
What is your "another solution" since you believe every player on the team is shite?
And Emery is drastically different from Wenger in regards to tactics, in-game involvement, and personality. I guess any manager that lost the first 2 matches of the season to the previous 2 league champions would be "Wenger 2.0" to you. Do you think Wenger would have subbed off Xhaka at halftime?
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Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:44 am to Klendathu
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Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:32 pm to Mengel97
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Unai is Wenger 2.0 version. Some of you said that we have quality players? Please name them. Ozil? Lazy as frick. Ramsey? What quality does he have? Running like headless chicken around the field. Auba? It's ok about him, he maybe had a bad day. Not to mention Xhaka... When Iwobi is our best player then you know everything is wrong. Even if Guardiola comes, he can not do anything with this team. They are all useless. It's time for Emery to bench this 'stars' such as Ozil and find another solution.
Jesus Christ. Have some patience. Two games, one against the best team in Europe and one at Chelsea. The difference in tactical approach, lineup selection and sub patterns is night and day.
I’m going to remain positive until the sample size is large enough to do otherwise.
Very happy with Guendouzi. Hope he continues to progress. Laca and Auba will get us goals. Back line needs an overhaul. If Iwobi takes off I’ll be thrilled.
Concerned how little our 10s have impacted the games so far. Not sure why, haven’t watched closely enough.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:34 pm to RebelVol
Next eight games are winnable. Would love to run off a good streak.
Hopefully we embed Torreira fully. Xhaka May come good but he looks like a Mustafi signing that’s a level above where he needs to be.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Welbeck get a run in this system. Would be excellent in our press and would add some needed athleticism.
Hopefully we embed Torreira fully. Xhaka May come good but he looks like a Mustafi signing that’s a level above where he needs to be.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Welbeck get a run in this system. Would be excellent in our press and would add some needed athleticism.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:50 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Wouldn’t mind seeing Welbeck get a run in this system. Would be excellent in our press and would add some needed athleticism.
And width. I feel bad for Xhaka. He would work best in a midfield three with a destroyer behind him and a creator in front of him, but he won't ever get that option.
Also Mustafi's passing out of the back is fairly good, not quite on Koscielny's level, but still good. If he could somehow cut out his mistakes he would be fine. It was suicidal for both him and Sokratis to be playing the high line right on the half way line. Just 3 to 4 yards deeper would give the same effect.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 3:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Was just able to watch the game this morning..
Defense still needs a way of improvement. I’m looking forward to watching Holding in the coming weeks. It’s time to bench Xhaka for Torerra. It’s obvious he still has to build chemistry with the squad, but what we have out there just isn’t cutting it. The new coach is struggling ways to find the most effective way to use Ramsey , but there’s no reason for he or Laca to be out of the lineup.
Also Ozil playing at CAM is leaving a lot to be desired. The most frustrating thing is that if you had to pick our MVP through 2 games it would go to a 19 year old who was playing div 2 in France last year. Still more optimistic with Emory than I was the past 3 years with Arsene
Defense still needs a way of improvement. I’m looking forward to watching Holding in the coming weeks. It’s time to bench Xhaka for Torerra. It’s obvious he still has to build chemistry with the squad, but what we have out there just isn’t cutting it. The new coach is struggling ways to find the most effective way to use Ramsey , but there’s no reason for he or Laca to be out of the lineup.
Also Ozil playing at CAM is leaving a lot to be desired. The most frustrating thing is that if you had to pick our MVP through 2 games it would go to a 19 year old who was playing div 2 in France last year. Still more optimistic with Emory than I was the past 3 years with Arsene
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:29 am to braud2go
Problem with dropping Xhaka might be a lack of control. I didn’t watch closely enough to know if his absence was the reason why but we clearly lost control in the second half. He remains a very good breaker of defensive lines with his passing. Hopefully a 3 of him Torreira and Ramsey gives us the balance we need.
ETA: Obviously Guendouzi could be a big factor if he keeps his form. Also not sure that a central role isn’t where Iwobi would be best suited. Such a smooth user of the ball, strong, keeps possession. If he maintains his final third form from Chelsea that’s ideal and frees up some room for Auba-Laca up top.
ETA: Obviously Guendouzi could be a big factor if he keeps his form. Also not sure that a central role isn’t where Iwobi would be best suited. Such a smooth user of the ball, strong, keeps possession. If he maintains his final third form from Chelsea that’s ideal and frees up some room for Auba-Laca up top.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:43 am to Stewie Griffin
Xhaka's biggest problem is how he struggles against the press. He can't run with the ball at all and he doesn't have the ability to turn quickly with ball. It leads to his bad passes that go straight to the other team or passes that put his teammates under pressure. When he has time in the midfield he is very effective. So maybe we play him against the teams that will sit back and allow him to dictate the game.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:47 pm to DB10_AFC
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"Ozil has cleverly brought racism into the game to distract attention from the fact that he has not played football well for a long time," Hoeness told Sky Sport.
A person who clearly understands this game. I can't stand the fans who still think he can bring us something. As a player who earns £350k a week should do a lot more then just pass the ball. I've never seen him run when he or someone else losses the ball. He's just getting angry and does nothing at all. Some of you still think that an attempt to find someone in the 16 yard box is creating a chance. Just think about it. That can be done by everyone. Finding a player like Bellerin -> Auba vs Chelsea when he missed that, is actually a crated chance, and Ozil does that very rarely. He can't even be a leader in this team. Seeing Ozil still play in the first 11 and players like Jack leaving the club and Lacazette sitting on the bench makes me sick. Since he came in the club, i have been watching almost every game and i was never satisfied with his performances.
Think about this before you reply. Thank you.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:16 pm to Mengel97
On the Arsecast today they said he completed around 15 passes. That is unbelievable. I'm glad Emery has the balls to take him off when he isn't contributing. When he is on, he is great, but his variation in play is huge.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:19 pm to Mengel97
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Think about this before you reply.
LMAO. Hey man, frick Ozil, I agree.
But doesn't he have the record for most chances created since coming to the prem or something silly like that?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:35 pm to DestrehanTiger
As far as I'm concerned Bellerin, Ozil, and Xhaka need to be benched just to see how they will respond. They are not playing well right now and we have people to take their places. These 3 players are all talented but they need wake up calls. Produce or sit.
Also how long do you think we leave Mustafi in before we give Holding a chance? I'm not saying Holding will be the answer but maybe we give him a shot if he looks good in Europa.
Also how long do you think we leave Mustafi in before we give Holding a chance? I'm not saying Holding will be the answer but maybe we give him a shot if he looks good in Europa.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:00 pm to DB10_AFC
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But doesn't he have the record for most chances created since coming to the prem or something silly like that?
If crossing into the 16 yard box is a created chance, than yes. But that isn't really a chance. I think i wrote about it in the previous post.
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give Holding a chance?
Definitely NO! Everyone could get pass him, the guy does not know to tackle. He must learn that if he wants to play from the first minute. I would rather play Mavropanos.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:19 pm to Mengel97
Lol man I agree with you that Ozil has been shite for a while now (and to an extent I believe what Hoeness commented is also true, but that’s a different matter).
But it’s not like Jack would’ve been better just because he’s homegrown, and let’s be honest. Jack hasn’t been truly good for about 6 years and he’s been dealing with injury after injury.
The last two seasons, on loan and with Arsenal, you saw that he’s just not good enough for a top 6 club with trophy aspirations.
You weren’t happy with his hat trick against Ludogorets? Or his amazing goal @ Ludogorets?
What about that season he had 16 league assists before January?
Yeah, he’s not worth £350k per and I don’t think anyone will debate that. Yes, he should be dropped and I’m glad Emery is willing to do that. But to say that Jack would’ve been a better option is a bit naive imo. Also, I’m not sure why you bring Lacazette into this as the AOL (not Alexis) combo was good last year.
I still think Auba—Laca—Mkhi/Özil is the best forward lineup with Xhaka/Rambo/Torreira/Guendouzi all fighting it out for a 3 man mid
But it’s not like Jack would’ve been better just because he’s homegrown, and let’s be honest. Jack hasn’t been truly good for about 6 years and he’s been dealing with injury after injury.
The last two seasons, on loan and with Arsenal, you saw that he’s just not good enough for a top 6 club with trophy aspirations.
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i was never satisfied with his performances
You weren’t happy with his hat trick against Ludogorets? Or his amazing goal @ Ludogorets?
What about that season he had 16 league assists before January?
Yeah, he’s not worth £350k per and I don’t think anyone will debate that. Yes, he should be dropped and I’m glad Emery is willing to do that. But to say that Jack would’ve been a better option is a bit naive imo. Also, I’m not sure why you bring Lacazette into this as the AOL (not Alexis) combo was good last year.
I still think Auba—Laca—Mkhi/Özil is the best forward lineup with Xhaka/Rambo/Torreira/Guendouzi all fighting it out for a 3 man mid
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:10 pm to Mengel97
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Since he came in the club, i have been watching almost every game and i was never satisfied with his performances.
His performances have been poor recently, but he was superb between 2013 and 2017. Tactically, he fit our game really well. He's amazing at finding space in the final third in order to face the game head on, while those horizontal movements suited Ramsey, Giroud and Santi really well. I'd argue that Sanchez upset the balance we achieved in 2013/14 by demanding the ball to feet all the time, which teams accommodated by almost exclusively playing in the low block. The only team non-big 6 team to play in a higher block that I remember off the top of my head the last couple of years was the 5-0 win against Aston Villa, where Ozil was superb.
The biggest disappointment has been our inability to get Ozil the ball against high pressure, high block teams on a consistent basis. Arteta was the best at those sorts of entry passes between the lines, as Ozil relies on horizontal movement across the field to create space, which limits our angles to entry balls. We've had super poor midfield play since Santi got injured. Santi and Arteta were superb at getting the ball to Ozil in advanced positions. We've had to rely on more complicated combinations to find Ozil in positions where he can make a difference. I'm supremely skeptical that you've been watching him for very long, as his game has only fallen off, in my view, since April, where he looks somewhat tired.
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Finding a player like Bellerin -> Auba vs Chelsea when he missed that, is actually a crated chance, and Ozil does that very rarely.
What? He's done that plenty. Here's a compilation of passes, some of which are simple, but others are examples of superb vision. We've had the most profligate finishers since Ozil has been here. LINK
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Think about this before you reply. Thank you.
You should do the same. He consistently ran more than Sanchez, who only seemed to run when the ball was lost before throwing his hands up and giving up because of the inconsistent press. Sanchez straight up ruined our game his last two years here, and he played far worse than Ozil, yet he rarely had as much criticism. Not only that, Ozil's criticism is thoughtless and without regard to how he's deployed, how he excels, and how teams attempt to stop him. We've never employed the system that suits Ozil best, which is the low block system which gives Ozil space to run onto the ball and counterattack at pace. Last season was one of the first seasons under Wenger, maybe the only season, where we didn't have a counter attack goal at all. The pensive, slow possession game we played during Wenger's last couple of years led to some of the worst combinations and passing patterns we've ever had. Our movement off the ball was bad, our pressing was bad, and our spacing was bad. Ozil doesn't neatly fit into Emery's system either. Let's take the difference between Mkhi and Ozil. Mkhi has slotted in on the right, more or less, and his approach to attack is more like a wide midfielder rather than a wide playmaker. The difference is that wide midfielders look to combine with their RB partner to create space for one another through smart interplay. That isn't in Ozil's wheelhouse. He moves wide in order to his marker into awkward half positions and then moves across the field to find space.
The Iwobi goal is actually a great example of this. LINK After Arsenal beat Chelsea's lazy press, Ozil ran in the half channel behind Azpi which had Chelsea moving back towards goal, and set them in the low block. Note the position Ozil took during the build up. He played as though he was stuck to the left channel, and immediately moves between Rudiger and Azpi, which means that if Iwobi had the opportunity, he could have played an aggressive ball to Mkhi at the center circle, where Mkhi had room to run. But that avenue was blocked somewhat by Barkely and Jorginho's positioning, hence the back pass to Sokratis.
What Ozil's presence does do in that moment is to pin the RB back, which means that Monreal is free of his marker, as Iwobi had drawn Kante inside. This is the first free pass Arsenal has in the attacking half. Ozil's idea is completely right here, which is to extend the space of the pitch vertically, which gives the team space horizontally. Ozil times the run, and then moves the ball back to Xhaka, who moves it to Guendouzi, etc. Ozil's movement was key for two things. The 1st is for Monreal to be free of a marker and the second was that he timed his run behind and moved the team upfield. And the thing about Ozil which is so impressive is that he will do this type of movement many times a game, as a large part of his game with Arsenal has been to draw a marker toward him to free space for someone else. It's no surprise that Ramsey developed into a goalscoring threat from deeper positions once Ozil was introduced to the team.
In general, the criticism of Ozil rests on his effort levels, and his languid body language exacerbates those issues. I don't care what a criminal like Hoeness says of him, and in fact if Hoeness says it, I'm likely to believe the opposite. Regardless, we can go game by game and break down Ozil's contribution. That's not to say I think he played well, but lots of other players have played far worse than he has without a word against them.
Arsenal has many structural issues at the moment. The spacing between the pivot players is far too wide, the players are still not pressing as a unit, and Emery's decision to play the low block in the second half was rather stupid, given that we couldn't create a chance at all and we still looked poor defensively.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
You explained very well and you're mostly right. But the fact that he does not fit well with this team means that we have no use from him in the moment. I noticed that your understanding of the game is on another level from mine, but saying that Ozil ran more than Alexis is completely wrong from my view. As far as i can remember, Sanchez used to come back very often, taking the ball in his feet and trying to get it up front. He also used to come back and help the CB's and DMF's getting the ball out from our half while Ozil was doing that very, very rarely. And saying about how bad is that Alexis used to keep the ball in his feet longer is also wrong in my opinion. You see, every top team has such tip of player that keeps the ball in his feet. Let's start with Chelsea, they have Hazard, and i think that Alexis and Hazard have similar qualities. United have Pogba, City have Silva, Spurs have Eriksen and Arsenal has nobody with that quality right now. One year ago, we had two players who could hold the ball longer, Alexis and Cazorla, and they both were the reason Arsenal played better football. Since they are gone, i haven't seen a beautiful football from this team. Alexis' vision and passes were so underrated and that's a fact.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:48 pm to Mengel97
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but saying that Ozil ran more than Alexis is completely wrong from my view
That's taken from some stats I saw a year or so back. Ozil runs quite a bit, but he's not going to win the ball back. Sanchez has more high activity periods but he acted without regard to what teammates were doing. Many times he would try to rush upfield to pressure a player when the team wasn't set up to press, meaning that there was always a free option for the man being pressed, and they could play around him. Often times he would throw his hands up in frustration but Wenger's teams were just never set up to play the high press, not since we moved to the 3 man midfields, at least.
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He also used to come back and help the CB's and DMF's getting the ball out from our half while Ozil was doing that very, very rarely
In general, the system we employed allowed for wingers to drop deep, which gave space for Ozil to move. When Ozil receives the ball deep, it usually is a sign that things aren't going our way and we aren't getting him the ball. Ozil also is required to press the deepest lying midfielder, or at least shadow him, which he didn't do on Chelsea's first goal. If you remember, Bellerin went to press Willian, Xhaka went to press Barkely, and Ozil and Mkhi fell asleep. On that goal our structure was all over the place. Too much space between the deep midfielders, inconsistent pressing, and Mustafi was too narrow. Ozil should have been closer to Jorginho, as that would have forced a less incisive pass. Regardless, Ozil's defensive duties have him upfield, and him dropping deep defeats the purpose of what he does well.
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And saying about how bad is that Alexis used to keep the ball in his feet longer is also wrong in my opinion. You see, every top team has such tip of player that keeps the ball in his feet.
Every team needs a ballcarrier, but Alexis carried too much by the end of his career here. He clearly didn't trust his teammates, other than Ozil, and would rather lose the ball than pass to a teammate. We don't have a ball carrier at the moment except for maybe Iwobi, who isn't at the level required yet. Our best ball carriers through the years like Rosicky, Cazorla, Diaby and Wilshere have all gotten injured, so maybe going to a system where we rely on short interchanges rather than dribbling to move the ball upfield is in our best interest, given our injury record.
The biggest issue I had with Sanchez was that his dribbling slowed down the pace of the game. The biggest difference between he and Hazard is that the latter gets the ball and drives with it. Sanchez is more interested in turning players by drawing them close and twisting around them. I'd prefer Hazard's method, because it doesn't slow the game as much. In the framework we employed with Sanchez, the slow possession game became even slower, to our detriment. I also don't think he fit with the type of team we built at the end of 2013/14, which called out for a destroyer type midfielder rather than a dribbler. We did fine the year before without relying on dribbling.
The best we've played in recent memory in terms of passing patterns was Ozil's first year, especially the first half of that year, when Ramsey, Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, and Rosicky all played together. The team had balance, as Ramsey had his late runs, Walcott made lots of incisive runs that stretched the field and Giroud had some unbelievable hold up play. Where it fell apart was that we were relying on players like Flamini for back ups, and we should have bought a destroyer to help us through the difficult portion of the season.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Just 3 to 4 yards deeper would give the same effect.
At this level he has to know that and see that. He drops off a bit and that goal is preventable.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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Every team needs a ballcarrier, but Alexis carried too much by the end of his career here.
Yeah he had a stretch where he was creating issues. Turning the ball over 30 times in a game is going to put your defense under constant pressure. It was totally wreckless.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:50 pm to dgnx6
Yeah he clearly didn't want to be here. We should have sold him that summer and bought Mahrez, who is a better dribbler and much more incisive. We also have no width at the moment, which Mahrez would provide.
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