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re: Arsenal 2015/2016 Season Long Thread
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:38 pm to Alan Garner
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:38 pm to Alan Garner
Giroud is really good at what he does, but he's obviously limited. How many huge goals has he scored for us? None immediately come to mind.
If we can upgrade there, I'm all for it. I think we need a top rate guy there, and Welbeck as cover and developing as a potential CF of the future. He has all the tools. Just needs some refining.
If we can upgrade there, I'm all for it. I think we need a top rate guy there, and Welbeck as cover and developing as a potential CF of the future. He has all the tools. Just needs some refining.
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:51 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Giroud is really good at what he does, but he's obviously limited.
It is why Benzema is so damn appealing. He is like Giroud++++
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How many huge goals has he scored for us? None immediately come to mind.
The 2nd @ City is the first that comes to mind. Not a goal, but the backheel to Ramsey in the FA Cup Final stands out as well.
Tbf we haven't won a ton of big games in recent years
One front 3 I don't we ever saw last season that I think would be interesting to see is Alexis on the left, Theo centrally, and Welbz on the right.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:03 pm to RTR America
Tim Stillman thinks Ozil should start on the left while Alexis is still getting fit... 
Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:05 pm to RTR America
Alexis won't be fit for this weekend?
Regardless, we need to play two actual wide players. Put Walcott left, Ox right.
I'm re-watching the game now. Slow work day, thinking about making some .gifs showing the problems with the Santi left, Ramsey central lineup we started with and why we need runners wide, especially against the narrow diamond West Ham played. It's really quite obvious.
Regardless, we need to play two actual wide players. Put Walcott left, Ox right.
I'm re-watching the game now. Slow work day, thinking about making some .gifs showing the problems with the Santi left, Ramsey central lineup we started with and why we need runners wide, especially against the narrow diamond West Ham played. It's really quite obvious.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:11 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Regardless, we need to play two actual wide players. Put Walcott left, Ox right.
I actually think we'd be fine with Ramsey or whoever on the wing if Bellerin or Gibbs was playing. You may have even been the person that mentioned it before. But, if we were to play Ox and Theo on the wings, I think Debuchy and Monreal would need to start.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 4:02 pm to DestrehanTiger
Yeah, it's about balance for me. If you play two true wingers, you can start Debuchy and Monreal. If you play someone who is going to tuck in, that side needs to have a fullback who will burst forward, Bellerin or Gibbs.
It's not as big a issue as I thought on a re-watch, with Santi or Ramsey wide. We lacked some cutting edge in the first half but created plenty of chances. Ox's volley, Ramsey's deflected off the post. Santi's dink from Ox's cross. Giroud from Santi's chest where he was wrongly ruled offside but saved anyway. Ramsey had a shot he should've laid off to Debuchy in space on the right. Giroud had Ozil and Ox running in behind once and played the wrong ball.
Plenty of chances, no incision. The worrying thing is the two goals and how easily conceded they were. I hate that fricking high line set piece bullshite. Get between your man and the goal, and win the ball in the air. Couyate was never touched on his run for the opener. Easiest goal to concede.
It's not as big a issue as I thought on a re-watch, with Santi or Ramsey wide. We lacked some cutting edge in the first half but created plenty of chances. Ox's volley, Ramsey's deflected off the post. Santi's dink from Ox's cross. Giroud from Santi's chest where he was wrongly ruled offside but saved anyway. Ramsey had a shot he should've laid off to Debuchy in space on the right. Giroud had Ozil and Ox running in behind once and played the wrong ball.
Plenty of chances, no incision. The worrying thing is the two goals and how easily conceded they were. I hate that fricking high line set piece bullshite. Get between your man and the goal, and win the ball in the air. Couyate was never touched on his run for the opener. Easiest goal to concede.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 4:26 pm to Stewie Griffin
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The worrying thing is the two goals and how easily conceded they were.
The way the second goal happened was just so bizarre. It almost felt like nobody heard the whistle but Kos and Cech. I couldn't believe how easy it was.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:12 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Giroud is really good at what he does, but he's obviously limited. How many huge goals has he scored for us? None immediately come to mind.
If we can upgrade there, I'm all for it. I think we need a top rate guy there, and Welbeck as cover and developing as a potential CF of the future. He has all the tools. Just needs some refining.
this. all of this.
if we want this club to achieve what it should be as a club of its size, they need someone with more of a killer instinct at 9.
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Yeah, it's about balance for me. If you play two true wingers, you can start Debuchy and Monreal. If you play someone who is going to tuck in, that side needs to have a fullback who will burst forward, Bellerin or Gibbs.
also this. if we are playing basically, extra 10s on the field because we are blessed with midfielders who can tuck in on the outside, we need a gibbs or hector to make those threatening runs forward.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:55 pm to Alan Garner
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if we want this club to achieve what it should be as a club of its size, they need someone with more of a killer instinct at 9.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:53 pm to RTR America
I don't see how Shia LeBouf is going to help matters.
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:26 pm to Stewie Griffin
Only City looked good out of contenders in the first round. Calm the frick down. That is because Bony and Toure had no commitments during the off season.
Our second best player isn't fit and we will be fine. He is bionic. The only position that matters is on the flanks defensively. Either Gibbs or Bellerin have to start, with Monreal or Debuchey as cover on the opposite side. The rest doesn't matter. We flow when the cover is there defensively on a flank.
Our second best player isn't fit and we will be fine. He is bionic. The only position that matters is on the flanks defensively. Either Gibbs or Bellerin have to start, with Monreal or Debuchey as cover on the opposite side. The rest doesn't matter. We flow when the cover is there defensively on a flank.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:27 pm to glassman
Glass that's great and all but it still doesn't change the fact that we crush lower competition and struggle against the top4. world class 9 would I think help in that area. I'm not saying give real all the money in the world but if the opportunity is there explore it.
The missed 47 sitters against Monaco inn champions league are burned into my head.
I'm not only concerned about the league, I want to do well in Europe and with our depth, we should do well but we need that killer instinct.
The missed 47 sitters against Monaco inn champions league are burned into my head.
I'm not only concerned about the league, I want to do well in Europe and with our depth, we should do well but we need that killer instinct.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:00 pm to Alan Garner
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world class 9 would I think help in that area.
I agree. Who is actually available for a decent price? Not one player. Benzema, Lacazette or Lewandoski aren't on the market. The rumors aren't reality. We have three truly out field world class players. Ozil, Sanchez and Cazorla. Koscielny, Ramsey and the Ox are very close. Cech is there, besides his mistakes.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:54 am to glassman
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:31 am to Sophandros
I like him a lot.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:06 am to glassman
I really enjoyed this piece from The Short Fuse
Francis Coquelin is holding Arsenal back
I don't necessarily agree with it, and I love le Coq. But it's well written and well argued. I actually thought Coquelin was good enough against West Ham. His ball to Giroud that Giroud chested and shot but was blocked was a stellar bit of play.
Francis Coquelin is holding Arsenal back
I don't necessarily agree with it, and I love le Coq. But it's well written and well argued. I actually thought Coquelin was good enough against West Ham. His ball to Giroud that Giroud chested and shot but was blocked was a stellar bit of play.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:23 pm to Stewie Griffin
There were a lot of overreactions this week in the press.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:39 pm to Sophandros
It is quite humorous the way Arsenal and Wenger get treated.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:35 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Francis Coquelin is holding Arsenal back
Jesus this article is exactly like this one. LINK
I wish these Arsenal pundits could come up with something original. For me the loss against West Ham was sort of flukey. There was some miscommunication on the first goal, and the Ox, Kos-Mert, and mostly Cech were to blame for the second.
At the same time these articles point out that we haven't been all that good, just that we've won games in a pragmatic fashion. At this point I'm pretty sure that Wenger would rather be pragmatic rather than pretty.
For me the problems start at the back. Mertesacker is far too slow to play the high-tempo high press game that is ideal for a Wenger system. Despite this we sometimes appear in the high block, where we look like headless chickens, with no regard for how to press as a team. So we recede to the low block and ask teams to play through us, which most teams actually cannot do. West Ham's goals came from a set piece and a gigantic defensive clusterfrick. In fact, it's extremely rare for us to be played through, save for four or five games against big teams where we got absolutely destroyed. Our bread and butter is to give up goals on set pieces and in transition.
One of the other problems with Mertesacker was that he could not make a pass between the lines to bypass pressure. The fact that he now is comfortable making that sort of pass bodes well for the development of another player who is supposedly technically deficient in Coquelin. Coquelin didn't play well against West Ham, who played a midfield diamond which allowed them to play around Arsenal pressure, but he didn't play poorly either. There was rarely anything in front of him, because West Ham was interested in He would improve tremendously if he played much less of the Hollywood pass. For example, in the 12th minute Coquelin received the ball in the center of midfield after good combination play on the right between Ozil and Ox, with three players to the left of him. He could have made a pass to Ramsey or Cazorla, but instead he chose to play the much harder ball to Monreal. Not only that James Tomkins was there to cover which made it a pointless pass. It was a pass that none of our midfield maestros would play. Later on he played a ball straight out of bounds from right center midfield behind the halfway line to the left wing, a ball aimed at Ozil, who had Tomkins within three yards of him. If he simply retains and recycles possession, he will get opportunities to play the release pass crossfield because good retention and possession will draw teams to one side. So my problem is that not that he can't make the pass, it's that he's attempting impossible passes to begin with. He actually had a brilliant bit of play where he intercepted a through and put a ball right onto Giroud's chest, and honestly, I think his supposed lack of technical proficiency is a matter of decision making rather than an actual lack of technique. I feel like he makes these passes to prove that he can make them, which is the same sort of thing we saw from both Ramsey when he was trying to force play in 2012 and Wilshere, who suffers from the dribbler's syndrome.
That said, the team didn't look crisp passing. Cazorla, Monreal, and others misplaced passes. Sometimes I feel like we are burdened by the fact that we have to win pretty, and leads us to being sort of nervous at times.
So because we can't yet trust Coquelin to make the right pass in the right situation, we are left with trying to find him a partner who can build the attack from the back. There are three choices, Ramsey, Wilshere, and Cazorla. Ramsey is excellent at playing the vertical game, finding pockets of space from deep and driving into them, but he requires someone to pass him the ball. This is where a three man midfield of Wilshere, Ramsey and another DM would work, as Wilshere is excellent at finding Ramsey in those situations. Wilshere would probably be a better partner for Coquelin, but my hope is that we will return to the Ramsey-Wilshere pivot, but in order to do that, we have to drop Mertesacker and play Gabriel, who is much faster, so we can play the high press with the high line. This for me is the solution. Now people will point out games where the Ramsey-Wilshere pivot didn't work, namely the Aston Villa game from 2012, but there were games at the end of the 2011-2012 season where that partnership did work. The problem is that Wilshere is the best player we have at recycling possession, but he's also the best dribbler we have to drive at teams from deep midfield, which creates a dilemma for him. At this point, I'd rather he make the DLP role his own, and use his dribbling ability to become our Pirlo, and you can see Hodgson, the ultimate pragmatist, is trying to shape his game in that direction as well.
The problems with Cazorla deep are that he doesn't really recycle possession, though he's absolutely brilliant at receiving the ball in whatever position he is in, and he helps Coquelin more with his positioning. The reason recycling possession is so important to us is that we need a player to realize when we need to expand the pitch and when we need to contract it. We will be playing teams with ten players behind the ball the majority of the season. Finding a player to recycle possession is extremely important.
Now we have to think about what this does to the front four. Sanchez should be locked in, but I'm all for putting Giroud as the plan B, and using Walcott, Ox, and Welbeck at to make a rotating front three. I prefer a front three of Sanchez, Welbeck and Walcott, for the particular reason that two are excellent at running with out the ball (Sanchez and Walcott), two are excellent at providing defensive support (Welbeck and Sanchez) and two are excellent at providing end product (Walcott and Sanchez). Ox for me is still a late sub player, as he has still not developed any end product for all his gifts with the ball at his feet.
That said, this game we were very unlucky, and combined that we two massive errors from Ox and Cech, and general nervousness, I can chalk this up to bad luck. There are systematic problems, and I haven't even gotten into the obvious problem of playing two very defensive fullbacks together caused, as we were so narrow.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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of playing two very defensive fullbacks together caused, as we were so narrow.
Agreed. With Bellerin an unexpected late scratch, I think Gibbs should have started at LB.
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