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re: Euro 2012 Final: España vs. Italia, in Kiev, 1:45 PM CST, ESPN
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:24 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:24 pm to Freauxzen
Agreed. I actually think Cesc should start, but that they should drop Alonso and start Torres or Negredo. Or drop Silva and another and start Navas and Llorente.
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Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:28 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Agreed. I actually think Cesc should start, but that they should drop Alonso and start Torres or Negredo. Or drop Silva and another and start Navas and Llorente.
Agree 100%.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:36 pm to Freauxzen
Navas would skin Cheillini.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:59 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Navas would skin Cheillini.
I disagree. Cheillini is probably the best LB in Serie A. With a ton of experience. Navas is still young and really doesn't warrant a start at this point. I am saying it now Italy is going to win if Del Bosque doesn't play a more forward thinking squad.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:13 pm to glassman
I thought Cheillini got skinned today whenever there was a fast player running at/by him (so mainly the second half). He's not a modern left back who can deal with speedy wingers. I just think Navas would fair better than Silva against him.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:15 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I'll take experience at this point. I get what you are saying though.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:22 pm to glassman
Well the Germans disappointed me, Italy looked like Italy. Pirlo was magnificent. Balotelli was at his best, semi-nude; at his worst, cramping like the king LeBron. I'm cheering for Italy Sunday, won't be able to make it to Finns. Was going to try and swing it if da germs made it.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:22 pm to glassman
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Navas would skin Cheillini.
I disagree. Cheillini is probably the best LB in Serie A. With a ton of experience. Navas is still young and really doesn't warrant a start at this point. I am saying it now Italy is going to win if Del Bosque doesn't play a more forward thinking squad.
Yeah. . . no one is really going to have their way with Chiellini whether he's at LB or CB.
However, I do completely agree that Spain need to have more width or at least more speed and variation in their attack against Italy.
The 4-6-0 can be effective when all the front six rapidly interchange to cause confusion and drag defenses all over the place.
Spain's version, at times, seems like they're waiting for Messi to become impatient, come get the ball and score like with the majority of Barca's goals.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:24 pm to glassman
Gotta give us young guns a chance glass! Where's Italy without balotelli? Where's Spain without Alba? Navas would spice things up!
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:27 pm to wm72
Yeah, maybe I chose the wrong word. Cheillini is great, but a speedy player can get at him at times. certainly more effective than a player that drifts in centrally like Silva.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:41 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Yeah, maybe I chose the wrong word. Cheillini is great, but a speedy player can get at him at times. certainly more effective than a player that drifts in centrally like Silva.
Yeah, I totally agree with that. It's really Del Bosque's delemma. The 4-6-0 puts a majority of their best players on the pitch but just isn't quite clicking because too many players want to occupy the same areas.
Not only their first match in the real group of death but also the recent friendly Italy won 2-1, Spain were so much more dangerous with true wingers and a center forward running into lanes.
The other question mark is whether Italy will go back to the 3-5-2 since Maggio will be available. I'm thinking that they probably stay with the 4-diamond-2 from today but either formation means Spain has to take advantage of width.
Germany was really unable to deal with the diamond midfield as they were sucked into playing Italy's match. Boateng was dangerous for a little while (but not really able to deliver great crosses) until his forward positioning was exploited for the first goal. After that, he seemed of two minds and didn't really pose much threat. However, the diagonal long pass from Pirlo to set that up would have been much tougher against Spain as they shut down passing space so much better than Kroos and Ozil.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:43 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Where's Spain without Alba?
Exactly where they are. Spain missing Puyol is huge IMO. Ramos playing against an in form Balotelli is scary right now. IMO, Italy is the favorite.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:50 pm to glassman
Eh, maybe. But Alba's been massive defensively too. More so than the replacement RB Arbeloa whose supposed to be the defensive minded one. Puyol's injury does hurt. Ramos is scary at CB. Could have easily been sent off for his two or three really cynical challenges.
Btw, how crazy was it that Arbeloa lasted so long in the Portugal match before picking up a card? He was hacking people down like a mad man.
Btw, how crazy was it that Arbeloa lasted so long in the Portugal match before picking up a card? He was hacking people down like a mad man.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:59 pm to glassman
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Exactly where they are. Spain missing Puyol is huge IMO. Ramos playing against an in form Balotelli is scary right now. IMO, Italy is the favorite.
I wish I was as confident. I still think Spain just has so much quality in the attack that they have to be favorites but the gap isn't so big.
I'd expect something like the first match where quality chances were about 60-40 in Spain's favor. Of course, that's more than enough for quality finishing/defensive errors to be the difference for Italy.
I agree about Ramos being a weakness but Spain also won't get outplayed in the midfield like Germany.
They'll flood the midfield as much as necessary to maintain 60% of the possession and whichever MFs are farther forward between Xavi, Alonso, Busquets, even Silva and Cesc aren't going to be as poor defensively as Kroos and Ozil constantly were in giving Pirlo, De Rossi and Montolivo so much time to pick out long balls.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 11:13 pm to wm72
Spain 3-1
Posted on 6/29/12 at 10:48 am to LSUEX1925
Posted on 6/29/12 at 1:42 pm to LSUEX1925
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Spain 3
Spain wouldn't score three goals if they played for 3 games.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 1:46 pm to RandySavage
They scored four in one match during this tournament...
Posted on 6/29/12 at 5:25 pm to WarSlamEagle
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WarSlamEagle
stop
making
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