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re: How the hell can we be good at basically all other sports
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:53 pm to okietiger
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:53 pm to okietiger
Any real youth initiative is always talking about the next generation of players. The players we have for the next cycle or two are basically locked in.
If we want to win in 2030, this might be enough time to see the results of the reorganization.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:54 pm to okietiger
The US doesn't seem to be very good at developing skill in any sport. Even in a sport we dominate like basketball, European players are more skilled than American ones, but in basketball athleticism can trump skill. Soccer is a skill based game.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:55 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Meh, I always have attributed the abilities of skilled Euro basketball players because of their footwork...because they all played soccer.
Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty guys like Dirk and the Gasols have said this.
Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty guys like Dirk and the Gasols have said this.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Athleticism is secondary if the technique to use the ball isn't there
While true, it's also true that our best and brightest athletes aren't soccer players like they are around the world. If American football didn't exist and soccer had the same popularity here from the beggining as it did in Germany and Brazil, we would dominate that too. This may be downvoted, but it's a fact. The Aubamayengs and Bales of of the world run about as well as Torrey Smith and would get burnt by Derrius Heyward Bey. "World class athletes" in the soccer world are a dime a dozen in the US. Our development program is behind, and our best athletes don't play the sport. You properly develop a fine athlete and you'll have yourself a player. Imagine if Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson or Odell Beckham grew up in Germany. It's still a niche sport here, it's life around the globe. Dontrell in the 7th ward doesn't know who the frick Lionel Messi is, he wants to be Le'veon Bell when he grows up.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:56 pm to okietiger
They don’t necessarily need to retain the players in MLS but the investment needs to be done at the youth levels. You already have a fairly successful league with infrastructure in place in large urban areas. Build upon that. Invest in more coaching (major challenge with large populations is having enough qualified coaches per kid). They already started good things like standardizing field sizes for youth so technique is s focus and not just who can run the fastest with the ball on a too large field. Invest in inner city youth by building concrete soccer courts in cities so these kids have a place to play.
It’s a large commitment but it’s whats needed to be successful. Hell Belgium showed when done right it can be pretty damn successful in just a few cycles
It’s a large commitment but it’s whats needed to be successful. Hell Belgium showed when done right it can be pretty damn successful in just a few cycles
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
This. This is what I’m talking about.
There’s no way you can tell me Leonard Fournette, groomed from a young age (and obviously a much thinner but maybe even faster version???) wouldn’t be just an absolute monster in soccer.
The athletes are there.
There’s no way you can tell me Leonard Fournette, groomed from a young age (and obviously a much thinner but maybe even faster version???) wouldn’t be just an absolute monster in soccer.
The athletes are there.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:58 pm to lionward2014
I agree that pay to play hurts, but "our best athletes" have literally nothing to do with it. Name another national team who has won a world cup who boasts insane athleticism as the cornerstone of their tactics. Why are Americans so obsessed with athleticism as a measure of sports success?
Is the reason we're bad at tennis because Lebron decided to go the basketball route?
Is the reason we aren't better at golf because Kobe chose throwing a ball through the hoop?
Would we be better at curling if MJ would've grown up in Wisconsin?
Jesus have y'all ever watched a soccer game before?
Is the reason we're bad at tennis because Lebron decided to go the basketball route?
Is the reason we aren't better at golf because Kobe chose throwing a ball through the hoop?
Would we be better at curling if MJ would've grown up in Wisconsin?
Jesus have y'all ever watched a soccer game before?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:01 pm to okietiger
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There’s no way you can tell me Leonard Fournette, groomed from a young age (and obviously a much thinner but maybe even faster version???) wouldn’t be just an absolute monster in soccer.
He has shown me nothing that would put him in a starting 11 on any European team of any quality.
I would love to know what skills he has shown you to convince you he would be anywhere remotely good at the sport.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
We've done an amazingly poor job with the athletes that do play soccer. Marvel Wynne had excellent speed, but couldn't control a ball to save his life. Again, any argument that doesn't begin and end with technique means we will see more of the same.
We aren't even competing for the same types of athletes as other sports. There is a 5'7 kid in America who could have been the next Pirlo or Xavi, but there isn't a place for him to develop his technique.
We aren't even competing for the same types of athletes as other sports. There is a 5'7 kid in America who could have been the next Pirlo or Xavi, but there isn't a place for him to develop his technique.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:02 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Maybe that’s a bad example.
How about honey badger?
Russell Westbrook?
Hell Chris Paul?
How about honey badger?
Russell Westbrook?
Hell Chris Paul?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, any argument that doesn't begin and end with technique means we will see more of the same.
Yep.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:06 pm to okietiger
Is Christian Pulisic the best the USMNT has ever had because of his technique or his athleticism?
Answer that and tell me why it matters.
Answer that and tell me why it matters.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:06 pm to okietiger
quote:
This. This is what I’m talking about.
There’s no way you can tell me Leonard Fournette, groomed from a young age (and obviously a much thinner but maybe even faster version???) wouldn’t be just an absolute monster in soccer.
The athletes are there.
Please for the love of god listen to me. Please look at African teams. For years pundits proclaimed that African teams could make runs deep into tournaments because they were big and fast, and no African team to date has ever made a semi-final. African teams do not have the resources of European teams, which is why you see French trained players in nearly every major African squad.
Athleticism doesn't mean anything if you cannot control a ball. People get fixated on speed, height and power, and those are intangibles that cannot be taught. What you need in soccer are two things. The ability to control the ball and make it do what you want, and the ability to run forever.
Cesc Fabregas is 5'9, slow as shite, weak as shite, and pretty much unathletic. But he can run forever and he can control a ball very well. He will always make it as a pro over a player with all the athleticism in the world.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:08 pm to crazy4lsu
And as BPG just mentioned in another thread, ICELAND JUST QUALIFIED FOR THE WORLD CUP OUT OF EUROPE.
Look at their team. Those guys aren’t winning any combine drills.
Look at their team. Those guys aren’t winning any combine drills.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:08 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Is Christian Pulisic the best the USMNT has ever had because of his technique or his athleticism?
But bro, have you seen him dunk?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:13 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Look at their team. Those guys aren’t winning any combine drills.
None of the best players of this or the last generation would have particularly impressive combine stats, save for Brazilian and Portuguese Ronaldos.
I mean, Pirlo, Xavi, Modric, Iniesta, Makelele, etc, wouldn't be pros in anything other than maybe distance running, because athleticism has been and will always be secondary to technical ability.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:15 pm to crazy4lsu
Today I learned soccer players aren’t very athletic as a whole. They have ball control and can run forever.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:16 pm to crazy4lsu
I'm not disagreeing. Technique is paramount. An elite athlete with technical ability and a soccer IQ is going to boss Toni Kroos 10/10 times though. My point was that if we were on that level from a developmental standpoint, and the sport was on that level from a popularity standpoint, it wouldn't be fair. We'll never reach either, but we have the athletes to compete if we can merely close the gap.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:17 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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If American football didn't exist and soccer had the same popularity here from the beggining as it did in Germany and Brazil, we would dominate that too. This may be downvoted, but it's a fact.
Also, Germany would have had a massive crisis if they didn't reorganize in 2000, and Brazil has had a massive crisis with their national team. Pretending like you don't need top down organization to produce top players is frankly dishonest, and people need to stop peddling this shite. It all starts with technique, and it ends with technique.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:19 pm to crazy4lsu
All I'm really wondering is who wins the Big Cat Drill between Phil Coutinho and Alexis Sanchez.
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