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re: Senior Baby Nats vs. Bolivia/5:30 CT/FS1
Posted on 5/29/18 at 8:49 pm to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 5/29/18 at 8:49 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:I saw a lot of debate in the media, from former USMNT players, etc.
Depends on who you ask, especially on this here board.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 8:50 pm
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:00 pm to pvilleguru
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I saw a lot of debate in the media, from former USMNT players, etc.
Literally the only person I saw was you lol. But I also don't really look for USMNT news. There was definitely nothing on r/soccer about it.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:03 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:Well, there you go.
But I also don't really look for USMNT news.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:09 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:I don't go on r/soccer.
There was definitely nothing on r/soccer about it.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:10 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Depends on who you ask, especially on this here board.
I mean, yeah there was a discussion about it, but never felt like enough people were involved to call it a fully fledged debate.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:54 pm to pvilleguru
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I saw a lot of debate in the media, from former USMNT players, etc.
They're definitely was. I'm pretty sure Stu even talked about it during the game. I know Tony Meola was pretty adamant about bringing players without experience or merit.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 6:43 am to BCLA
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They're definitely was. I'm pretty sure Stu even talked about it during the game. I know Tony Meola was pretty adamant about bringing players without experience or merit.
Which is fine but then they need to offer up a name that isn't a known commodity that was snubbed in place of Sergeant and I have yet to see that. This was obviously a very experimental group of players called in. Not like we called him in for a meaningful game
Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:07 am to etm512
quote:Rubin (let him play his actual position, bring in another winger), Ramirez
Which is fine but then they need to offer up a name that isn't a known commodity that was snubbed in place of Sergeant and I have yet to see that.
But this is also the national team. It doesn't have to be an unknown commodity.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 7:09 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:31 am to pvilleguru
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Rubin (let him play his actual position, bring in another winger)
This is where it is splitting hairs though. Do you go with a kid who shows ton of promise and was your top striker on all of your youth teams but has yet to feature for his club (wasn't even eligible to play for their U23s this year) or a kid who was with 3 different clubs in Denmark and Norway over the last couple years before signing on with Tijuana?
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Ramirez
More of a valid argument. He's a little older than most of the guys called in but still only 27. Did we look to bring him in and Minnesota say no though?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:42 am to etm512
I don't know. I just threw out 2 names without thinking too hard.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:43 am to etm512
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wasn't even eligible to play for their U23s this year
Sounds like another reason to not call him up.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:01 am to BCLA
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Morris passed up Bremen because of his dog, and Sargeant took the offer and will probably pass him by in the pecking order.
God willing. frick fatboi. He’s a born loser. Cannot play with ‘em. Cannot win with ‘em. Cannot coach with ‘em. Can’t do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:56 am to pvilleguru
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Sounds like another reason to not call him up.
Not his fault. I think he deserved a call up for his work with the youth national teams. Success at the U20 level will often translate to success at a higher level. Plus he’s been dominant with the U19s at Werder. Again, IMO he’s earned it playing against serious competition. We have a thin pool up top. I see nothing wrong with bringing him into camp. Plus he scored on his debut and did not look the least bit out of place.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:00 am to cwil177
I’m having a hard time understanding how a U19 Bundesliga player is drastically less worthy of a callup than an MLS youngster just because he hasn’t played on a senior team in a much better league — especially considering his position pool is so thin.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:08 am to WarSlamEagle
Stu Holden didn’t have a problem with it and that should be good enough for the SB.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:11 am to cwil177
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Stu Holden didn’t have a problem with it and that should be good enough for the SB.
Some of us have lost sight of our values.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:25 am to cwil177
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Plus he’s been dominant with the U19s at Werder. Again, IMO he’s earned it playing against serious competition
I think he's only played in friendlies with the U19s. And I still feel strongly that your 1st competitive match against men shouldn't be for the fricking national team.
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Plus he scored on his debut and did not look the least bit out of place.
He was also playing against players from the bottom of the Bolivia league table.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:25 am to cwil177
For the record I have 0 problem with him getting called in. I was just comparing the situations and how it was received.
Another factor to consider is that they didn't call in any MLS players who had schedule conflicts for the Bolivia game, making the pool even shallower.
Another factor to consider is that they didn't call in any MLS players who had schedule conflicts for the Bolivia game, making the pool even shallower.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:33 am to pvilleguru
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And I still feel strongly that your 1st competitive match against men shouldn't be for the fricking national team.
Why does it matter when you're...
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playing against players from the bottom of the Bolivia league table.
This has the feel of some unwritten baseball rule nonsense. Like, what is the harm in it other than you don't think it's right?
Feeling this strongly about a guy who might be a factor the next time this national team actually plays for something that matters is pretty ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:39 am to WarSlamEagle
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Feeling this strongly about a guy who might be a factor the next time this national team actually plays for something that matters is pretty ridiculous.
We don't play a "meaningful" match until next summer (Gold Cup), so there's no harm in giving him another 4-5 months to get situated at WB, and get some minutes in the Bundesliga. We have plenty of match between September-december where he can get integrated with the USMNT.
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