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re: Serie A fans?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:13 pm to JeanPierre
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:13 pm to JeanPierre
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Fairly new to the game still, but looking to watch some Serie A this season. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Lazio, and will be sooooo frustrated when they let Milinkovic-Savic go to a high-paying team.
Yeah, Lazio have a really good core group of players. They've made some excellent decisions in the past few transfer markets, especially considering they're mainly getting players that, at least, the bigger 5 Italian, 6 EPL and 3 Spanish clubs have passed over.
The problem you mention about the "Yankees" cherry picking them is going to happen though.
You hit on one of the big negatives of European football regarding how closely performance follows revenue. Unfortunately, every big change the past decade or so (Financial Fair Play rules, CL/EL re-formatting, TV deals) has actually increased the revenue gap between the very richest clubs and the bigger next tier clubs like Lazio.
Sad really, but suppose it serves an international TV market where seemingly 99% fans just choose to follow one of about 12 or so clubs.
Anyway, Lazio really doesn't have the revenue to give high salaries to all of the players they sign who "break out".
Serie A revenue looks something like this from last season:
Juve €600m
AC Milan €350m
Inter €350m
Napoli €250m
AS Roma €200m
Fiorentina €100m
Lazio €100m
Genoa, Sampdoria, Atalanta €80
The two obvious things you notice is that
1) AC Milan and Inter have had poor teams and out of Champions League for a few years yet still have massive revenue and will quickly jump back near Juve level with better success.
2) The league standings look a lot like the revenue standings.
For Lazio, it means that even following the model of Napoli --cashing in on a few players to build a much better overall squad-- will be hard considering how much more money Napoli has to work with.
Lazio also needs their own stadium to increase revenue but haven't had much success in getting plans approved.
They're kind of stuck on the "Everton" tier of Serie A.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 11:52 pm
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:26 pm to wm72
Thanks for that explanation. I’m understanding more. I know its just a facet of the game that I’ll have to accept in the end. The status quo will remain, right. Its like anything else...money talks.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:48 pm to JeanPierre
An interesting thing to look at is what Tottenham Hotspur did with their Gareth Bale money.
Bale left for 85 million pounds. They had about 105 million pounds total after selling off Clint Dempsey, Tom Huddlestone, and Jermaine Defoe.
3 attacking players and a midfielder but 80 percent of that money was from Bale.
In return they bought Christian Eriksen from Ajax (11.5 million pounds), Erik Lamela from Roma (30 million), Paulinho (17 million), Nacer Chadli from Twente (7 million), Roberto Soldado from Valencia for 26 million, and Etienne Capoue from Toulouse for 9 million.
It's pretty much an even swap of the money. Eriksen has become a superstar. Paulinho became a rotational player who was sold for a loss to China two years later. Chadli actually turned out pretty good and was sold for a profit 3 years later. Soldado was a huge flop and was sold at 40 percent of his transfer fee two years later. Capoue was a scrub for Spurs although they didn't lose too much money on him when he was sold off two years later. Lamela is still on Spurs as a good reserve, but he has never justified the transfer fee that was paid for him. And he hasn't approached the 2012 Roma year in England.
So when you look at a savvy team that brought in 6 guys, all of whom were well-regarded and relatively reasonably priced at the time, you see one Superstar (Eriksen), two modest successes (Chadli and Lamela), two modest flops (Paulinho and Capoue), and one massive flop (Soldado).
That's probably a reasonably positive outcome for any second tier selling club getting rid of a generational talent.
Bale left for 85 million pounds. They had about 105 million pounds total after selling off Clint Dempsey, Tom Huddlestone, and Jermaine Defoe.
3 attacking players and a midfielder but 80 percent of that money was from Bale.
In return they bought Christian Eriksen from Ajax (11.5 million pounds), Erik Lamela from Roma (30 million), Paulinho (17 million), Nacer Chadli from Twente (7 million), Roberto Soldado from Valencia for 26 million, and Etienne Capoue from Toulouse for 9 million.
It's pretty much an even swap of the money. Eriksen has become a superstar. Paulinho became a rotational player who was sold for a loss to China two years later. Chadli actually turned out pretty good and was sold for a profit 3 years later. Soldado was a huge flop and was sold at 40 percent of his transfer fee two years later. Capoue was a scrub for Spurs although they didn't lose too much money on him when he was sold off two years later. Lamela is still on Spurs as a good reserve, but he has never justified the transfer fee that was paid for him. And he hasn't approached the 2012 Roma year in England.
So when you look at a savvy team that brought in 6 guys, all of whom were well-regarded and relatively reasonably priced at the time, you see one Superstar (Eriksen), two modest successes (Chadli and Lamela), two modest flops (Paulinho and Capoue), and one massive flop (Soldado).
That's probably a reasonably positive outcome for any second tier selling club getting rid of a generational talent.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:51 pm to JeanPierre
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If the players did it I’d have a different tune
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:05 am to JeanPierre
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The status quo will remain, right. Its like anything else...money talks.
Sadly, the rich have been getting more and more proactive with measures to distance themselves completely from the middle class. . .
Still, I think there's a higher reward in following a club that's not quite a superpower.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:18 am to JeanPierre
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If the players did it I’d have a different tune
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:18 pm to JeanPierre
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....people suck everywhere. If the players did it I’d have a different tune
Lazio does have the most hardcore right wing ultras groups in Italy. The foto people are posting is their old captain di canio who definitely sided with them as a player before moving on to England as a player and manager.
The club management itself has often been criticized for not distancing itself enough from the more hardcore ultras -- very similar to Trump responses regarding those groups in the US. Recently, they have been a bit more vocally critical of them though.
That said, the vast majority of their fans and players are just regular people.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:56 pm to wm72
They don't call them "Nazio" for nothing.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:30 pm to JeanPierre
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Fairly new to the game still, but looking to watch some Serie A this season.
Juventus has won the league 34 times. Almost double the #2. And theyve won it the past 7 seasons. They just signed Ronaldo, the GOAT.
Other than watching Ronaldo, I dont really see a reason to watch Serie A.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:35 pm to wm72
Pretty sure Di Canio is literally the only modern example of a Lazio player being a right wing extremist though, right?
Didn’t a higher up in the club (maybe the owner?) parade through the streets doing that salute out of a fighter plane or something after a cup win recently? Or am I imagining that?
Regardless, I went to Ole Miss so I don’t think I can shite on Lazio too much for right wing symbolism in sports
Didn’t a higher up in the club (maybe the owner?) parade through the streets doing that salute out of a fighter plane or something after a cup win recently? Or am I imagining that?
Regardless, I went to Ole Miss so I don’t think I can shite on Lazio too much for right wing symbolism in sports
Posted on 8/14/18 at 4:26 pm to SeeeeK
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$50 bucks for the year is worth the dutch,championship, and other minor leagues, add in SerieA, and it's a Win,Win.
yeah, i'll be getting it most likely strictly for Serie A
need to find out if they will keep the replays up for a few days after the games. would be really good for always having games to watch
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:22 pm to kengel2
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Other than watching Ronaldo, I dont really see a reason to watch Serie A
Recently, Serie A has offered about as many plausible races for the title past Christmas as any other league -- if a title race is the only reason to watch soccer other than for Messi and Ronaldo.
There do seem to be a too many people that just want to watch Messi, Ronaldo or only Lebron James in basketball though. A bit sad in my opinion.
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Pretty sure Di Canio is literally the only modern example of a Lazio player being a right wing extremist though, right?
Didn’t a higher up in the club (maybe the owner?) parade through the streets doing that salute out of a fighter plane or something after a cup win recently? Or am I imagining that?
Not sure about the owner saluting a plane. He's certainly politically way to the right but think that's due a lot more to lining his pockets than racism.
Di Canio is the main one so firm in his ultra right wing political stance. (After Chinaglia, I guess, back in the day, where they say there were actual fist fights in the Lazio clubhouse between him and their left wing players).
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Regardless, I went to Ole Miss so I don’t think I can shite on Lazio too much for right wing symbolism in sports
Lazio certainly has a history with their ultras but, yeah, fans of any SEC team better never glance over at the Political Rant on this site if some obsessed, usually half-witted, political nuts are going to spoil rooting for a team.
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