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re: The next time the USMNT plays will be after the World Cup
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:46 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:46 pm to tigerfan88
quote:Miazga is much better than CCV right now.
Carter-Vickers over Miazga IMO.
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:47 pm to NewbombII
quote:Before you get to the 22 WC, you have to qualify.
We are not playing for the now we are playing for WC 2222.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:50 pm to Broski
Everyone who watched those games knows Pulisic was our only saving grace in the hex. And no Pulisic is playing for a top 15 team in the world, in the Bundesliga, is going to be 21 for the hex. Same reason Yedlin, Brooks, and Wood shouldn’t be cast aside. All performed reasonably well in the Hex, all are still fighting and honing their craft in real leagues, and all will be under 30 for the next WC.
I know you’re smart enough to see how Bradley doesn’t meet any of that criteria. And no I defended Bradley a lot on here and in real life. I thought from 2008-2014 he was one of our best players. But he regressed big time when he went to the MLS. Along with Altidore. And in the hex he had circles run around him in a lot of away games. His lack of athleticism and his slow speed of play were huge detriments, and that will only get worse.
I know you’re smart enough to see how Bradley doesn’t meet any of that criteria. And no I defended Bradley a lot on here and in real life. I thought from 2008-2014 he was one of our best players. But he regressed big time when he went to the MLS. Along with Altidore. And in the hex he had circles run around him in a lot of away games. His lack of athleticism and his slow speed of play were huge detriments, and that will only get worse.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:50 pm to tigerfan88
quote:Bradley was asked to control the middle of a waterlogged field by himself. He was set up to fail.
Bradley couldn’t assert himself against T&T and Costa Rica
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:53 pm to tigerfan88
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Same reason Yedlin, Brooks, and Wood shouldn’t be cast aside
Wood was on a club that just got relegated in a season in which he didn't score.
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All performed reasonably well in the Hex,
Brooks played in 3 matches during the Hex and was terrible in the first loss to Costa Rica.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:55 pm to pvilleguru
Qualification doesn’t start for over two years. At least the hex doesn’t. We have two years to keep trying new things and getting the young guys more experience.
We can always bring Bradley in if things go poorly. But it’s a lot easier to bring Bradley and the old guard in on short notice than it is to ask the young guys to save you on short notice if the old guard sucks again.
Plus, and I can’t fatnom how this isn’t playing a huge role in the thought process Bradley LITERALLY WAS JUST OUR LEADER AND MOST CONSISTENTLY PLAYED PLAYER FOR OUR FIRST NON QUALIFICATION IN 30 YEARS!!
Why are you using needing to qualify as a reason to play the old guard? They just failed at that.
We can always bring Bradley in if things go poorly. But it’s a lot easier to bring Bradley and the old guard in on short notice than it is to ask the young guys to save you on short notice if the old guard sucks again.
Plus, and I can’t fatnom how this isn’t playing a huge role in the thought process Bradley LITERALLY WAS JUST OUR LEADER AND MOST CONSISTENTLY PLAYED PLAYER FOR OUR FIRST NON QUALIFICATION IN 30 YEARS!!
Why are you using needing to qualify as a reason to play the old guard? They just failed at that.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:57 pm to tigerfan88
quote:If things go poorly? You start day 1 with your best XI.
We can always bring Bradley in if things go poorly.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:57 pm to Broski
Wasn’t Brooks injured for most of the year.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:58 pm to tigerfan88
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Qualification doesn’t start for over two years. At least the hex doesn’t. We have two years to keep trying new things and getting the young guys more experience.
Qualification starts late next year, that is definitely not a time to experiment... because that can EASILY blow up in our faces.
And as for the Gold Cup, if we win it, we're in the Confed Cup, which after what a colossal failure this past year was, you can bet damn well that we will be in it to win it so the federation can point to something successful.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:59 pm to Dizz
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Wasn’t Brooks injured for most of the year.
He was, but regardless to say he "performed well" in the Hex is just flat out wrong.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:01 pm to tigerfan88
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Why are you using needing to qualify as a reason to play the old guard? They just failed at that.
So why does this argument apply to Bradley but not to anyone else who was apart of the qualification process... and if we are going to hold that against Bradley, wouldn't it also be fair to bring up that he was also a part of qualification process that was successful?
Brooks, Yedlin, Pulisic and Wood can't say that.
What about scoring in a World Cup?
Yedlin, Pulisic and Wood can't say that.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:01 pm to Broski
Wood has also consistently performed well for the national team and will be in his prime next WC cycle.
Brooks has also constantly performed well, barring the 4-0 CR game when the entire team gave up, and will also be in his prime next WC cycle. But sure poke some small holes in my ancillary points instead of addressing the reality that Michael Bradley is already too passed it to run a midfield in Hex level competition, and setting up the national team to have him try it 3 years from now is the definition of insanity. Trying the exact same shite that just failed, but when it’s even more likely to fail
Brooks has also constantly performed well, barring the 4-0 CR game when the entire team gave up, and will also be in his prime next WC cycle. But sure poke some small holes in my ancillary points instead of addressing the reality that Michael Bradley is already too passed it to run a midfield in Hex level competition, and setting up the national team to have him try it 3 years from now is the definition of insanity. Trying the exact same shite that just failed, but when it’s even more likely to fail
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:04 pm to tigerfan88
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and setting up the national team to have him try it 3 years from now
Qualifying starts in a little over a year from now.
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Trying the exact same shite that just failed
And here you're just being ridiculous, keeping Bradley is not trying the exact same shite... I'm not asking for Dempsey to be back or Zusi or Besler or even Cameron.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:05 pm to tigerfan88
quote:YOU CAN'T WIN 10 GAMES BY YOURSELF.
Plus, and I can’t fatnom how this isn’t playing a huge role in the thought process Bradley LITERALLY WAS JUST OUR LEADER AND MOST CONSISTENTLY PLAYED PLAYER FOR OUR FIRST NON QUALIFICATION IN 30 YEARS!!
It's not Bradley's fault we started the hex in a formation that we never practiced, most of our wingers were injured, our best CBs got injured, the rest of his age group failed to pan out, Gonzalez scored an own goal, we had to play Graham fricking Zusi at RB, etc.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:06 pm to Broski
Dude, I’m not arguing that 2012-14 MB wasn’t fantastic and would be a surefire starter. But it’s fricking 2018, and next hex it’s going to be 2021. I’m saying 2017 MB showed us he couldn’t hack it, and there’s no way he’s gettijg better for 2021.
If you can’t see how the four players I mentioned are completely different situations then we are at an impasse. Especially Pulisic and Yedlin.
Scoring in a WC? That’s an absurd response. He scored in 2010. So Donovan should come back and be a part of qualification? Brian McBride? Relying on guys just bc they’d gotten the job done in previous cycles cost us a spot in the WC. I can’t believe multiple hard core US fans are perfectly fine with just running it back
If you can’t see how the four players I mentioned are completely different situations then we are at an impasse. Especially Pulisic and Yedlin.
Scoring in a WC? That’s an absurd response. He scored in 2010. So Donovan should come back and be a part of qualification? Brian McBride? Relying on guys just bc they’d gotten the job done in previous cycles cost us a spot in the WC. I can’t believe multiple hard core US fans are perfectly fine with just running it back
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:06 pm to Broski
quote:Yeah, we've struggled in the 1st stage in the recent past.
Qualification starts late next year, that is definitely not a time to experiment... because that can EASILY blow up in our faces.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:07 pm to pvilleguru
It's just funny to me that when I bring up Brooks' struggles against Costa Rica, his excuse is "the whole team quit", but when Bradley struggles, it's JUST Bradley.
It's clear that he has hated Bradley well before this qualification fiasco and is holding anything and everything against him.
It's clear that he has hated Bradley well before this qualification fiasco and is holding anything and everything against him.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:08 pm to tigerfan88
quote:I'd disagree with that.
Wood has also consistently performed well for the national team
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:09 pm to tigerfan88
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Scoring in a WC? That’s an absurd response. He scored in 2010. So Donovan should come back and be a part of qualification? Brian McBride?
No you moron, I only brought that up because you were arguing that Bradley shouldn't be involved because you said he experience a failing qualification cycle.
You can't be this stupid.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:09 pm to Broski
Pre hex qualifying? Ok if we play our first game of pre hex qualifying against Belize without MB and get a negative result then I’ll be all on board with calling him back in. But somehow I don’t think that will happen
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