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Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:40 pm to mynamebowl
quote:I'm calling bullshite on that.
Baseball, football, and the majority of basketball players are built very similar to the best players you're seeing at the World Cup.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:41 pm to mynamebowl
Good discussion dudes. See you guys later.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:45 pm to mynamebowl
I straight up do not believe that the average athlete in the NBA, NFL, and MLB is sub six foot or even around six foot. I'm not at home right now but when I do I'll do some eyeball math on the rosters of every franchise in all three leagues to see if I'm right or wrong.
I mean, Modric has been the standout player for Croatia, and at 5'8, he's probably below the median height for soccer players. But we could actually compile all the data to figure out what the ideal soccer player profile is and compare it to other sports.
I mean, Modric has been the standout player for Croatia, and at 5'8, he's probably below the median height for soccer players. But we could actually compile all the data to figure out what the ideal soccer player profile is and compare it to other sports.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:49 pm to crazy4lsu
This is a very small sample size, but of the 22 players on the 2017/18 Atlanta Hawks roster, only 4 are shorter than 6'5".
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:01 pm to pvilleguru
I don't feel like reading this thread.
Are people arguing that if basketball and football players learned soccer, we'd win every world cup?
Are people arguing that if basketball and football players learned soccer, we'd win every world cup?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:03 pm to Broski
Yes, with the US not in the WC It took until the quarters for this thread to show up.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:04 pm to Dizz
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Yes, with the US not in the WC It took until the quarters for this thread to show up.
Maybe that's the real progress of soccer in this country. Maybe in 4 years, the thread won't pop up until after the tournament and then we'll know for sure that soccer has made it in America.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:13 pm to Broski
No. People are arguing that if we got to cherry pick the basketball and football players and develop them with soccer as the #1 sport in the country, we would be highly competitive.
Lots of superlatives being used by people disagreeing.
Lots of superlatives being used by people disagreeing.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:14 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:We can be highly competitive as is.
No. People are arguing that if we got to cherry pick the basketball and football players and develop them with soccer as the #1 sport in the country, we would be highly competitive.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:15 pm to ShamelessPel
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No. People are arguing that if we got to cherry pick the basketball and football players and develop them with soccer as the #1 sport in the country, we would be highly competitive.
So who is developing these athletes?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:18 pm to Broski
I don’t know what else to say on the subject. It’s like people are glossing over parts of the argument intentionally. Soccer being the #1 sport in the country implies we are training these kids at a young age and the brightest minds we have are developing and coaching soccer and not those other sports as well.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:22 pm to ShamelessPel
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I don’t know what else to say on the subject. It’s like people are glossing over parts of the argument intentionally. Soccer being the #1 sport in the country implies we are training these kids at a young age and the brightest minds we have are developing and coaching soccer and not those other sports as well.
This idea has been tried on a small scale numerous times. It doesn't work.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:23 pm to ShamelessPel
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Soccer being the #1 sport in the country implies we are training these kids at a young age and the brightest minds we have are developing and coaching soccer and not those other sports as well.
it has to start with kids in the streets playing for 8+ hours every day
until you have a pool of kids that fit that category to choose from and then the club systems in place to pick them up and develop them at the clubs expense (this is happening, but the pools to choose from are still mostly upper middle class kids) we wont be competing to win world cups
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:24 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
I don’t know what else to say on the subject. It’s like people are glossing over parts of the argument intentionally. Soccer being the #1 sport in the country implies we are training these kids at a young age and the brightest minds we have are developing and coaching soccer and not those other sports as well.
Soccer being #1 has nothing to do with what athletes go to which sport.
We are a big enough country to where there are enough for all sports. It all comes down to the development. We have dudes playing in MLS that are just as athletic as Westbrook, OBJ, etc. but unlike football and basketball where in American you get the premier youth coaching, for soccer, our athletes have to go overseas where as kids they can't perform to their best because they are in a new environment and get lost in the shuffle because the Europeans look down on Americans in soccer.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:37 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
I don’t know what else to say on the subject. It’s like people are glossing over parts of the argument intentionally. Soccer being the #1 sport in the country implies we are training these kids at a young age and the brightest minds we have are developing and coaching soccer and not those other sports as well.
You are inventing a scenario and arguing based from it, rather arguing from reality. If soccer was the #1 sport, it might imply that the infrastructure is in place, or it might not. More than likely we'd be in a similar position to where we are now, if nothing was done about youth development, we'd just have a deeper player pool of mostly mediocre players. Not only that you are ignoring the type of athlete required by soccer, almost intentionally. One study found that professional soccer players need to run a minimum of 7 m/s, which translates to a 100m time of 15 seconds or so. That is super slow. Given that soccer training regimens seem to select out players with fast-twitch muscle profiles, it stands to reason that soccer and more explosive sports aren't selecting for the same type of athlete at all. I understand the training argument, but even if your scenario were true, it's unlikely the physical specimens who make up the NBA and NFL would be great soccer players. Most soccer players, especially in midfield, aren't above 6 foot. There are exceptions with regards to positions, but for the most part that's true. Immediately most NBA players and most NFL linemen would be disqualified, save for outliers. If everyone ran track and field, for example, we would be choosing players mostly from distance runners, and not the shorter events.
Given all this, which is backed up with data and studies, that still doesn't address the inability of the US developmental system to get the most out of the athletes they already have, who often times are bigger, stronger or faster than their European counterparts, precisely because those physical attributes help mask their technical deficiency.
In your scenario, if we had an elite developmental program, it's more likely that we would have a team made up of a lot of guys who would not have been selected by any sport. That's what we are trying to tell you. Brazil, which has a similar make up in terms of demographics, has only 6 or so players above 6'1, not including the goalkeepers. All their attacking players are super technical, great athletes, etc, but they average 5'8 or 5'9. It's a similar story for many international teams. Brazil is the most likely candidate to produce a super technical player who is also super tall, and they have produced only a handful, with the last being Adriano, who was awesome.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:38 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
This is a very small sample size, but of the 22 players on the 2017/18 Atlanta Hawks roster, only 4 are shorter than 6'5".
I mean, we could collectively compile the data and look at the trends in terms of body profile. It would be time-consuming, but I think we'd see that NFL, NBA, and MLB players are taller and heavier than soccer players.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:44 pm to crazy4lsu
Adriano sucked donkey balls
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:45 pm to Dandy Lion
Big Adriano? He could have been the perfect target striker if his head was on straight. Also, doing some eyeball math, he scored around 100 goals in around 170 appearances his first five years in Europe. That's a very good rate.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:45 pm to Broski
Wishful thinking but if the US drops or ties a group match it will show up. There will be a new crop of people watching in 4 years who will all say “what if (insert to athlete) played soccer we would never lose”.
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