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re: Why y’all mad, Bros(ki)?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:06 pm to Alyosha
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:06 pm to Alyosha
Don't piss off players is tops on the list, and put them in positions of your system where they would best succeed.
I think by and large, he hasn't done that.
Again, if we went into this tournament as more of depth fact-finding mission (and that's fine, because we need that), I'm not sure what we actually learned about our depth in this tournament.
Luna and maybe Gregg Jr. were the only non-established players on the Gold Cup roster that showed that they should warrant future full-strength roster callups. Part of that is likely because we have no depth and that was established in training, but also, Poch never really gave many players a chance to showcase what they could do in matches that mattered because he kept rolling out largely the same XI and waited hella late to use subs.
I think by and large, he hasn't done that.
Again, if we went into this tournament as more of depth fact-finding mission (and that's fine, because we need that), I'm not sure what we actually learned about our depth in this tournament.
Luna and maybe Gregg Jr. were the only non-established players on the Gold Cup roster that showed that they should warrant future full-strength roster callups. Part of that is likely because we have no depth and that was established in training, but also, Poch never really gave many players a chance to showcase what they could do in matches that mattered because he kept rolling out largely the same XI and waited hella late to use subs.
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:23 pm to Broski
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Don't piss off players is tops on the list
Who are you referring to that he’s pissed off? I’m genuinely asking, not leading.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:50 pm to Alyosha
I mean I can’t imagine Pulisic is too happy with how Poch leaked his situation to the media.
Maybe it was a second language issue and it came off more intense that what he meant. But it led to Pulisic having to release his own statements and shite.
Not a good luck from either party, but I think when it comes to that stuff in sports, it’s more on the coach and front office for letting it get out of hand than it is on the player.
Maybe it was a second language issue and it came off more intense that what he meant. But it led to Pulisic having to release his own statements and shite.
Not a good luck from either party, but I think when it comes to that stuff in sports, it’s more on the coach and front office for letting it get out of hand than it is on the player.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 12:48 am
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:34 pm to Broski
Or maybe he’s letting everyone know being a star player doesn’t mean you can show up when you want.
Greg left a broken locker room. Poch has got to fix it.
I’m not sold or happy with the guy, it’s just what I felt was going on.
Greg left a broken locker room. Poch has got to fix it.
I’m not sold or happy with the guy, it’s just what I felt was going on.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:52 pm to Tigerstark
That’s fine… don’t do it through the media.
Nothing constructive comes from that.
Nothing constructive comes from that.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:32 pm to Broski
Not the first person to allude to Poch not visiting with players during the club s
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 8:36 am to Broski
Casey has fair criticisms. I think these are huge question marks.
But how do you make a change now? Greg had to go. Should have already been gone. That’s a separate question. But by waiting so long on Greg we now are committed to Poch. If you hire a Poch two years ago as should have been (and I know it wouldn’t have been Poch at that point) then you can make a change last year if it’s not working. But how do you Make a change now with no time or competitive matches between now and the World Cup?
I do think he’s doing work on the foundation of the locker room that was sorely needed after Greg. But that’s one of four or five key aspects of what he needed to do and there are huge questions about his work on the other key aspects.
But how do you make a change now? Greg had to go. Should have already been gone. That’s a separate question. But by waiting so long on Greg we now are committed to Poch. If you hire a Poch two years ago as should have been (and I know it wouldn’t have been Poch at that point) then you can make a change last year if it’s not working. But how do you Make a change now with no time or competitive matches between now and the World Cup?
I do think he’s doing work on the foundation of the locker room that was sorely needed after Greg. But that’s one of four or five key aspects of what he needed to do and there are huge questions about his work on the other key aspects.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:15 pm to Tigerstark
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But how do you make a change now?
You can't. It's too late.
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I do think he’s doing work on the foundation of the locker room that was sorely needed after Greg.
In what ways? It feels more so like the locker room is even more splintered.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 7:09 pm to DByrd2
Sargent probably would’ve gotten injured anyway once an opponent blew air in his general direction.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:26 am to cwil177
El-Tri would have fired their coach thrice over with these results. 
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:01 am to Ssubba
And probably burned down his home afterwards
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:24 am to Broski
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It feels more so like the locker room is even more splintered.
I don't think it is "splintered"... Communication obviously hasn't been great, but outside of Pulisic being a certified baby back bitch about this Gold Cup window where he could have gotten 6 weeks of work in with the new manager, who else is truly even close to "at odds" with Poch?
Everyone in the group considered to be our starting XI, not named Christian Pulisic, were kept for the Club WC or injured (sans Sargent).
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:44 am to DByrd2
Poch has got to get this team together now. The making examples of players, if he did that has to end now as they prepare for the World Cup. While it was great we made it to the finals this good cup window was just poor soccer overall. Bad friendlies. And dominated in game play by Mexico. Yes the guys battled l, but the quality was not there and our midfield had to play in the top of the box all game. No shot of controlling the ball.
I think Poch sees now the depth is not good. He needs his a team to compete and found a couple of guys who can make the World Cup team.
Richards is good. Who plays next to him. Ream will be another year older and slower. Luna and berhalter can be good backups. Tillman on the cusp of starting, though I thought he struggled in the Mexico game(could be the beating he got the previous 2 games).
October and November windows need to see the a team. 2 good teams in October. November there is talk of south American teams including Argentina possibly in Qatar. Maybe January window we solidify the backups.
Goalkeeper is a worry. Freese did fine. But can Turner find a club to get some minutes. Does Steffen get healthy or someone else.
Then we need all the other injured guys back
I think this past window was good for Poch overall to see the lack of quality depth and that he needs his better players.
I think Poch sees now the depth is not good. He needs his a team to compete and found a couple of guys who can make the World Cup team.
Richards is good. Who plays next to him. Ream will be another year older and slower. Luna and berhalter can be good backups. Tillman on the cusp of starting, though I thought he struggled in the Mexico game(could be the beating he got the previous 2 games).
October and November windows need to see the a team. 2 good teams in October. November there is talk of south American teams including Argentina possibly in Qatar. Maybe January window we solidify the backups.
Goalkeeper is a worry. Freese did fine. But can Turner find a club to get some minutes. Does Steffen get healthy or someone else.
Then we need all the other injured guys back
I think this past window was good for Poch overall to see the lack of quality depth and that he needs his better players.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:07 pm to mgdtiger
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I think this past window was good for Poch overall to see the lack of quality depth and that he needs his better players.
I agree with this, but only for Poch seeing the extent to which he will need them for the advertised level of success in next year's WC. I think he always knew he would need just about every one of those guys, including Pulisic.
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Poch has got to get this team together now. The making examples of players, if he did that has to end now as they prepare for the World Cup.
I agree. I think this only continues if Pulisic decides he wants to not show up for the next camp, which if we are being honest absoluetly will not happen. He'll be there, and he'll show his quality. The example has already been made, and I highly doubt that Pulisic will double down and draw this relative nothing burger out.
Poch has made his point, and Pulisic obviously cares about the national team and his career. I don't foresee this being any kind of issue between them moving forward.
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While it was great we made it to the finals this good cup window was just poor soccer overall. Bad friendlies. And dominated in game play by Mexico. Yes the guys battled l, but the quality was not there and our midfield had to play in the top of the box all game. No shot of controlling the ball.
THIS should be the main focus. To hell with tactics, the quality was not there. This renders all the "sky is falling" BS reactions useless. We over-performed with a roster that was VERY under-talented.
My whole point in the aftermath of this Gold Cup is this... Why can't we take that as positive insight knowing that the rest of our good players were either injured or retained by their clubs for the Club WC?
Instead, most folks are acting like Poch should have won the whole thing going away, and no match should have been close. That is such an asinine and willfully ignorant take (to me at least).
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I think Poch sees now the depth is not good. He needs his a team to compete and found a couple of guys who can make the World Cup team.
Net positive. This is traditionally what the Gold Cup is used for anyway. So if that is the case, why the uproar?
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Richards is good. Who plays next to him. Ream will be another year older and slower.
True, but the chemistry Ream has with Jedi (and now Richards) is good to have if he indeed is one of our two CBs at the WC next year.
SO glad Richards has come around and is now a towering figure back there.
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Luna and berhalter can be good backups.
Definitely spot players. I think Luna has an outside chance at breaking into the XI, although it is unlikely.
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Tillman on the cusp of starting, though I thought he struggled in the Mexico game(could be the beating he got the previous 2 games).
I thought Tillman played well until late in the match, and definitely was our best player thorughout the tournament (Richards gets honorable mention).
That ref likely cost us the match with how badly Richards was fouled throughout, especially if you pair that with his allowance of rugby rules tackles on Agyemang the entire night.
That was the worst-refereed match I have seen in a long time, even if you take out the missed handball.
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October and November windows need to see the a team. 2 good teams in October. November there is talk of south American teams including Argentina possibly in Qatar. Maybe January window we solidify the backups.
I think you will absolutely see that.
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Goalkeeper is a worry. Freese did fine. But can Turner find a club to get some minutes. Does Steffen get healthy or someone else.
I am entirely uncomfortable with either of Freese or Turner in the net. We REALLY need pre-Man City Steffen to be between the sticks.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:33 pm to DByrd2
Didn’t pulisic skip out on the Mexico friendly last fall?
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:17 pm to Alyosha
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Didn’t pulisic skip out on the Mexico friendly last fall?
Yes, but he was nursing a hip flexor injury. I give him a pass when it is injury absence.
"I only want to do the friendlies and not the Gold Cup", when the manager wants to call you in or a roster spot in an international window, is not something that is acceptable.
Glad Poch seized the opportunity to reset that standard.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:44 pm to DByrd2
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We over-performed with a roster that was VERY under-talented.
We did not overperform with this roster.
We got stomped by two Euro squads, beat up on CONCACAF minnows and shite Saudis, then lost to Mexico.
If the standard we are holding ANY USMNT player is where we consider making the final of the shitass Gold Cup an overperformance, then the game's gone.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:08 pm to Broski
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We did not overperform with this roster.
You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.
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We got stomped by two Euro squads, beat up on CONCACAF minnows and shite Saudis, then lost to Mexico.
With a team that had never been in a USMNT senior team (non-January) camp, by and large. And also whose leading striker was from the USL of all leagues (and the alternative available was young and raw as well).
A LB who had no defensive abilities, but was likely a more complete player than anyone else available to be called in. A RB who is ridiculously green behind the ears. Multiple players who have never performed well when they HAD been called into previous camps, and no installed style of play because our federation FAFO’d and fiddle-fricked around with Gregg and then doubled down on retardation by dragging their feet in signing a new manager regardless of who.
If I told you that this roster would have even made the final against Mexico after those two friendlies, you’d have told me I don’t know jack shite about soccer. Now here you are acting like the world is falling because we should have done better? GMAFB
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If the standard we are holding ANY USMNT player is where we consider making the final of the shitass Gold Cup an overperformance, then the game's gone.
Or your expectations were too high because you refused to see the reality of the situation at hand. That’s nobody else’s fault, brother.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:09 pm to DByrd2
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You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.
The irony
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Or your expectations were too high because you refused to see the reality of the situation at hand. That’s nobody else’s fault, brother.
Someone clearly doesn't know the history of the USMNT.
It is not an accomplishment for us to be one of the 2 best teams in CONCACAF. Full stop.
That is the real case of someone not seeing the forest through the trees.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:10 pm to Broski
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The irony
The lack of intelligent rebuttal.
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