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Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:12 pm to Broski
Like I get it, you want Poch to work so bad and you want Agyemang to be like Jozy.
But, so far, neither is happening and you are trying to gaslight so hard for reasons unknown.
But, so far, neither is happening and you are trying to gaslight so hard for reasons unknown.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:08 pm to Broski
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Like I get it, you want Poch to work so bad
Don’t we all?
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you want Agyemang to be like Jozy.
Still hung up on that? You’re strange.
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you are trying to gaslight so hard
Not sure you understand what that means…
I’m simply viewing things through the lens of a reality-based perspective rather than wishcasting something on a group largely unable to achieve said wish.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:29 pm to DByrd2
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Don’t we all?
I wan the USMNT to succeed, not a specific manager to, which doesn't seem to be the case for you.
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Still hung up on that? You’re strange.
Say the guy who name-checked me when he made this thread?
Are you an autist?
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Not sure you understand what that means…
I’m simply viewing things through the lens of a reality-based perspective rather than wishcasting something on a group largely unable to achieve said wish.
What the frick am I wishcasting?
What you're doing here is the textbook definition of gaslighting btw
You're trying so hard to make it seem as though the expectations for the USMNT Gold Cup squad was that they had no shot at getting through the like of Trinidad, Haiti, Saudi Arabia and Guatemala. When that is simply bullshite, considering we have multiple precedents of B/C-team Gold Cup squads making it to the final, and in some cases, winning the whole thing.
Give me a break :lol:
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:12 am to DByrd2
Pulisic should be one of the more rested players on our rooster (and compared to a lot of players) heading into WC.
Milan has no European games this coming season.
Milan has no European games this coming season.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 5:44 am to Broski
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I wan the USMNT to succeed, not a specific manager to, which doesn't seem to be the case for you
If you want the USMNT to succeed, you want their manager to succeed while he is the manager.
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Say the guy who name-checked me when he made this thread? Are you an autist?
Wow… sensitive, are we? If it means anything, I didn’t do it with venom. I simply notice there are two schools of thought on this board typically, and we are on the opposite end most times. I respect your opinion.
It’s not always like that, as I have conceded points to you in the past. I enjoy the back and forth, but here lately you’ve been a bit emotionally reactive. I’ve reacted in kind. Probably shouldn’t have.
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You're trying so hard to make it seem as though the expectations for the USMNT Gold Cup squad was that they had no shot at getting through the like of Trinidad, Haiti, Saudi Arabia and Guatemala. When that is simply bullshite, considering we have multiple precedents of B/C-team Gold Cup squads making it to the final, and in some cases, winning the whole thing.
Nobody thought we’d even play against Guatamala. It was pretty clear that we were going to face off with Canada, but that squad FAFO’d.
We haven’t seen a performance that bad in friendlies as we did before the GC. Everyone here expected to win the group, but not one of us could have told each other with 100% certainty that we would because of how bad the lead-in games were.
You’re trying to apply the A-Team standard to the B/C-Team, and life doesn’t work that way. Nor does sports. Your expectations were way above realistic outcomes, and now you’re throwing a tantrum and lashing out against a manager who built a team that fought their arse off despite a clear lack in overall quality.
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What you're doing here is the textbook definition of gaslighting btw
Someone disagreeing with you does not mean they are gaslighting you.
It’s a difference in perspective, and a refusal to step outside one’s own to consider the circumstances at hand.
Have a Xanax, my guy. It’s a discussion board. I’ll do the same.
I actually do appreciate and respect your opinions, and those of others here. I just don’t think the situation is as black and white as you are painting it to be.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 5:46 am to lsugorilla
Yes, there should be zero reason (outside of injury, knock on wood) that he will miss any time in a camp between now and the WC.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:47 am to DByrd2
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If you want the USMNT to succeed, you want their manager to succeed while he is the manager.
I'm not shocked at all that the point went over your head.
This is going nowhere.
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Wow… sensitive, are we?
Again... the irony.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:56 am to Broski
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I'm not shocked at all that the point went over your head.
And that point was what? You said:
"I want the USMNT to succeed, not a specific manager to, which doesn't seem to be the case for you."
So explain to us how it's possible for the manager of the USMNT to be successful but the team isn't?
I know that you really mean that we shouldn't just keep supporting Poch if he's doing things wrong, but I don't believe that is what he's saying, and I don't understand why it's so hard for you to understand that.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:19 pm to SUB
The point is that I want the USMNT to succeed regardless of manager.
It's not that complicated.
I want Poch to succeed, doesn't mean that I'm going to say everything he does was a success. Making it to a Gold Cup final is not, and should not be viewed as, a success.
There are clearly posters on here that are championing what Poch did, because he's Poch. If Gregg turned in that performance in his first Gold Cup, this board would be on fire.
ETA: And to be clear, this board should be pissed if that happened with Gregg, because it's a performance that is well below the USMNT's standards when it comes to CONCACAF, no matter what state the roster is in.
It's not that complicated.
I want Poch to succeed, doesn't mean that I'm going to say everything he does was a success. Making it to a Gold Cup final is not, and should not be viewed as, a success.
There are clearly posters on here that are championing what Poch did, because he's Poch. If Gregg turned in that performance in his first Gold Cup, this board would be on fire.
ETA: And to be clear, this board should be pissed if that happened with Gregg, because it's a performance that is well below the USMNT's standards when it comes to CONCACAF, no matter what state the roster is in.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:53 pm to Broski
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The point is that I want the USMNT to succeed regardless of manager. It's not that complicated.
We know. And the manager has to succeed for that to happen. Again, you are arguing with yourself here.
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There are clearly posters on here that are championing what Poch did, because he's Poch.
Who’s doing this? Being satisfied with the result given the circumstances is not “championing.” Had he won it with this squad against Mexico’s A team, then absolutely many would be championing it. But simply saying that it was not a bad result for this squad and that we should not be calling for Poch’s head less than a year in his tenure is not “championing.” Once again, I’m not sure who you are even arguing with on this.
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If Gregg turned in that performance in his first Gold Cup, this board would be on fire.
Greg lost his first gold cup final to Mexico with the best players available and I don’t think anyone was as upset as you are about Poch losing his first Gold Cup with a team mostly comprised of non-starters, including several that had 0 to 1 cap. You aren’t making sense.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:41 pm to SUB
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I don’t think anyone was as upset as you a
We all wanted him fired
And to be clear, I’m not advocating for Poch to be fired. That’d be suicide less than a year out from the World Cup.
I’m saying it’s disingenuous as hell to say this was a successful Gold Cup or that his tenure thus far has produced much in terms of positives.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:24 pm to Broski
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We all wanted him fired
That existed before the gold cup. Nobody wanted him hired in the first place. But I don't remember seeing that sentiment because he lost to Mexico in the final. Wish I could find that thread but I think it's not searchable.
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I’m saying it’s disingenuous as hell to say this was a successful Gold Cup or that his tenure thus far has produced much in terms of positives.
So a successful Gold Cup with that squad was at a minimum to win it all?
His tenure? You mean less than a year? My expectations are pretty low for a year 1 coach, and that includes some chaos.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:30 pm to DByrd2
All I know is I like this passion.
I like this discussion.
I like this thread.
I like this board.
I like all the differences of opinions.
I like there are people that hold usmnt and coaches and federation to a higher standard than others.
And put peoples feet to the fire.
I feel it is motivating and a good thing.
Keep it up
I like this discussion.
I like this thread.
I like this board.
I like all the differences of opinions.
I like there are people that hold usmnt and coaches and federation to a higher standard than others.
And put peoples feet to the fire.
I feel it is motivating and a good thing.
Keep it up
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