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re: Youth Soccer Talk
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:37 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:37 pm to SabiDojo
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It got so bad one of the dads (team was from Baton Rouge) commanded his son to go up to a kid on the other team (from Ocean Springs) and punch him in the face.
This is way worse than the no-calls. It could have been a teaching lesson about sportsmanship, but trashy parents are gonna trashy
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:47 pm to TCO
Refs can stop it from getting to that point. When the ref doesn’t take control of the game, parents are more likely to act out.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:59 am to SabiDojo
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I was at the same tournament. 2011 boys. On Sunday, we were waiting for a game to finish. Lots and lots of dirty fouls. It got so bad one of the dads (team was from Baton Rouge) commanded his son to go up to a kid on the other team (from Ocean Springs) and punch him in the face. The other team’s coach didn’t want his kids hurt so he got his team together and left the field. They were winning too.
Not to say you're wrong, but all the 2011 BRSC boys were playing in Baton Rouge this past weekend, so i'm not sure which BR team you are referring too.
and i've been a part of crap like that when i played many years ago, and have heard the same from parents today. You forget sometimes how many really shitty parents there are out there.
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Again, all of that could have been avoided if the ref would card players. But they don’t.
But i agree that refs need to give cards. I've had my 9 year old blatantly tripped from behind on a breakaway after he gets by everyone twice now. And i told the ref after the game the second time it happened about giving a card. The first game they actually gave a yellow card, but the second game they just gave a penalty. Ref said they don't want to create an unfair advantage by giving red card and are told not to. SO i said so we're just going to let kids act out with very little consequences? How about i just tell our kids to trip the other team every time they have the ball, and just keep doing it until we win the ball back? just don't do it in the box. If the consequence is you're just going to let them have a free kick, then we'll just make sure they never cross mid field b/c we'll trip them every single time they have the ball. Is that how you'd like us to play?
Granted i would NOT tell our kids to play like that b/c i'm not a piece of shite, more just making the point to the ref.
They are kids, and they need consequences. When you get a red card for doing something stupid, and it's always something stupid at that age, then you get sent off and now you have to sit on the side and watch your team play with a man down. If you have a kid that can't recognize what he just did to his team, then that kid has a big problem.
If my kids did something blatant out of aggression that warranted a red card at their young age, you won't need to give them the red card, I'll do it for you.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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Not to say you're wrong, but all the 2011 BRSC boys were playing in Baton Rouge this past weekend, so i'm not sure which BR team you are referring too.
It wasn’t BRSC. It was Pards Soccer Club
ETA: and everything you said was spot on
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 1:38 pm to SabiDojo
Over the weekend our striker was taken down by a slide from behind into the back of his plant leg as he was shooting at the edge of the box on a breakaway. The ref told our coach it didn’t impact the play because he had gotten the shot off and missed, so not only was there no card it wasn’t even a foul.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 1:41 pm to MOT
That’s why i couldn’t be a soccer dad. I would RAGE if something like that happened and impacted my kid or their team.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:01 pm to S
My son is pretty good and regularly gets slide tackled from behind. It’s ridiculous. Or they just push him on the ground/off the ball. Never gets a call.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:01 pm to MOT
Ridiculous and it’s exactly why parents start going at it
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:10 pm to S
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That’s why i couldn’t be a soccer dad. I would RAGE if something like that happened and impacted my kid or their team.
I think more than anything for me, it's not that the ref isn't giving a card, or even a foul sometimes, it's the coach of the kid that just did this not saying anything.
If i was coaching and a kid on my team purposely tackled/tripped someone from behind, they would immediately come out the game and have a good talk with them about what just happened.
and I've told both of my boys if they ever did that or anything similar to that, as in an obvious show of aggression that isn't anywhere close to a soccer play, you won't have to worry about coach taking you out b/c i will walk out on the field from the parents sideline and do it myself.
But like i said, i saw it twice happened to my kid, and both times not a peep from the coach, and the kid stayed in the game.
Shitty coach, shitty parent, soon to be shitty teenager/adult.
and it all goes back to what others have echoed about the youth game, and really in all sports around here, somewhere along the line so many coaches/parents have forgotten what it's like to be a kid and to just have fun playing with your friends. there's a time when you can start getting more serious about sports, but 8-10 year olds should be developing, and having fun. You start seeing certain kids start breaking away around that 11-12 age and they want to get more serious about certain sports, and that's fine.
Being at soccer games about 2-3 weeks ago in Hammond there was a baseball tournament going on and it just irritated the shite out of me. It's fall. Go play football or soccer. I guarantee you practicing and playing baseball in the fall as a 9 year old isn't going to give your kid the advantage over some of the others that are playing soccer and football, b/c the cream will rise to the top no matter what, and all your years of practicing year round will mean nothing when the naturally more athletic kid comes to tryouts in high school.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think more than anything for me, it's not that the ref isn't giving a card, or even a foul sometimes, it's the coach of the kid that just did this not saying anything.
When my player got raped from behind I looked at the other coach and said "are you teaching this fricking shite"? He just ignored me.
I pull my players if I see them start getting frustrated/ playing more agressive than usual from being fouled and not called. Then we have a talk on the sideline because I know they will want to retaliate.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:45 pm to CootKilla
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When my player got raped from behind I looked at the other coach and said "are you teaching this fricking shite"? He just ignored me.
same thing for us the first time it happened to my kid. Our coach asked the other coach the same thing "y'all teaching this" and he did the same thing, ignored him. This was a bunch of 8 years olds, and they were playing dirty the whole game. I literally have them on video holding our players arms on goal kicks. Standing at midfield next to someone and holding their arm. Why on earth would you teach that to an 8 year old?
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I pull my players if I see them start getting frustrated/ playing more agressive than usual from being fouled and not called. Then we have a talk on the sideline because I know they will want to retaliate.
which is what anyone that isn't a moron would do. You can tell when a kid is about to do something dumb and retaliatory. Take them out and let them cool off. and more than anything, the ref should notice this and stop the game to talk to the kids, but that's an extreme rarity b/c it assumes you have a ref who has the age and confidence to do such a thing. Dealing with all the shitty parents most refs have to deal with, it's not surprising they just rather let it go and hope for the best.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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2011 BRSC boys
Sad state of affairs when 2009, 2010 and 2011 BRSC can’t produce Comp 1 teams anymore (no team in 2012 LCSL).
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:44 pm to GeismarGeauxer
quote:I didn’t see any of their teams in the 2012 LCSL brackets and was curious why. Are they playing in another league? I’ve seen them on some of the PSL weekends.
BRSC can’t produce Comp 1 teams anymore (no team in 2012 LCSL).
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:00 pm to MOT
Y'all are so soft. If you're getting roughed up and the ref isn't calling it you gotta take matters into your own hands sometimes and give as good as you're getting. Kids need to learn that, there's not always someone there to bail you out.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:08 pm to MOT
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I didn’t see any of their teams in the 2012 LCSL brackets and was curious why. Are they playing in another league? I’ve seen them on some of the PSL weekends.
They have a fairly new strategy to hold teams out of competitive league until the next year.
Don’t think it’s working.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:11 pm to RandySavage
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Y'all are so soft. If you're getting roughed up and the ref isn't calling it you gotta take matters into your own hands sometimes and give as good as you're getting. Kids need to learn that, there's not always someone there to bail you out.
You do what you want, I’ll teach my kids to not stoop down to the level of pieces of shite. These are 8 year olds I’m talking about, not teenagers.
My kid drilled both free kicks he was given after getting tripped. That’s more punishing than retaliating like a Neanderthal.
And I say that as someone who has been in the middle of multiple fights on the soccer pitch, all around age 14, not 8.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:30 pm to GeismarGeauxer
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Sad state of affairs when 2009, 2010 and 2011 BRSC can’t produce Comp 1 teams anymore
Not sure if it's the same on the Boys side and MLS Next, but on the girls side the Girls Academy teams have completely changed the landscape of BRSC and Black/Red level teams
Outside of the 07 team, virtually none of the previous Black players from 2010-2005 are still around, or playing just BRSC full time. Assuming Girls Academy catches on and works as intended, the best players will always be on those teams, and Black teams will have the kids that would have been Red before
Over time that very well may raise the level of play for all involved, but for this year at least it's been a huge shock to the system
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:56 am to TeddyPadillac
I think your problem is you're conflating the over exuberance, and clumsiness, of an 8 year old with a Neanderthal.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:19 am to RandySavage
It was a good, physical game for the most part. Our team didn’t need a bail out, they controlled it and won fairly comfortably. But that particular play goes beyond being physical or tough and should have been addressed instead of just saying “oh well he had already gotten the shot off and his ankle didn’t break, so play on”.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:44 am to RandySavage
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I think your problem is you're conflating the over exuberance, and clumsiness, of an 8 year old with a Neanderthal.
or maybe you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
i have it on video, it's clear as can be. my kid gets past everyone and a defender is chasing him, and blatantly kicks his legs from behind to trip him. This wasn't clumsiness. It was done on purpose. I'm not going to tell my 8 year old to get up and punch the kid. I wouldn't tell a 16 year old to do that either. That's stupid at every age. Be the better man.
Now when you get older and someone is being sneaky about their aggression and not getting called, then sure you can retaliate with a hard foul of some sort. You do it smartly, where you send a message but don't get kicked out of the game like a dumbass.
and i'm not saying it like the kid is destined to be a terrible person. He's a kid. They do dumb things at times, but if you don't correct them and explain to them why what they just did was wrong and why you can't do that, then they'll just keep doing it, and likely will end up being a shitty person. Like i said, what irritated me more is the fact that the coach said absolutely nothing about it.
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