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re: Dave Aranda and Recruiting
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Saban is a great recruiter because he wins and has a great message about success and advancement to the NFL. He's not a great recruiter because he is flamboyant or a great salesman, because he's not.
But Arandas personality is nothing like Sabans. I don't know how good a salesman Saban is (apparently a very good or great one), but he is very fiery and aggressive with a big personality. Programs don't recruit themselves, even LSU.
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:03 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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He currently recruits in the richest state for talent in the country and yet he has one single 4 star athlete. Rhule was getting 5-6. He doesn’t even have any players of the top 50 in Texas.
Rhule had one good year where he brought in 6 4-star players. Over 4 years he brought in a total of 9 and averaged the 36th best class in the country. Aranda is ranked 33rd this year.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:09 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
Daily Aranda can't recruit thread 
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:11 pm to deaux
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You don’t do it without someone who can actually coach either
right, you need someone who can do both, but you can't win with any consistency in the SEC without great players. Recruiting is what it is all about. Not only look at Alabama but look at Georgia right now. You need a HC who is going to be relentless on the recruiting trail. You need a HC who is going to push the boundaries and some how connect and attract (like a shiny lure) the top high school athletes. Only then do you need a HC who can actually coach.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:31 pm to Ocardowin
I'm not saying he should hire a staff to recruit for him and then not worry about it. My point is he will have more than enough support in that regard. I'm confident he knows how it works and knows he'll have to be involved in recruiting.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:44 pm to LSBoosie
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Maason Smith - “It’s definitely better than it was with coach Aranda because I had never really talked to coach Aranda on a personal level, but me and coach Pelini, well, he’s talked to my parents,” he said in a report from Rivals. “I’ve met him in real life already. He’s a cool dude and more easier to talk to (than Aranda).”
We know that Aranda is a much better coach than Pelini, but comments like this are cause for concern.
Maason Smith - “It’s definitely better than it was with coach Aranda because I had never really talked to coach Aranda on a personal level, but me and coach Pelini, well, he’s talked to my parents,” he said in a report from Rivals. “I’ve met him in real life already. He’s a cool dude and more easier to talk to (than Aranda).”
We know that Aranda is a much better coach than Pelini, but comments like this are cause for concern.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:50 pm to ccomeaux
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He's beating the people that are out recruiting him.
You were saying ?
do we florida fans need to remind what kirby smart said about recruiting and coaching?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:55 pm to finchmeister08
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do we florida fans need to remind what kirby smart said about recruiting and coaching?
He is proving his own point, that’s for damn sure. Because Kirby Shart couldn’t coach a pee wee team to victory unless he had far better players than the other teams. He’s a joke as a coach.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:57 pm to J2thaROC
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I’d far rather have average players playing above their rating than great players looking like they are fricking lost on the field or barely trying.
Ehhhh. Look no further than UF for why this doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:00 pm to logjamming
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Ehhhh. Look no further than UF for why this doesn’t work.
They don’t have average players playing great.
They have slightly above average players playing like shite.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:01 pm to Imber
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Maason Smith - “It’s definitely better than it was with coach Aranda because I had never really talked to coach Aranda on a personal level, but me and coach Pelini, well, he’s talked to my parents,” he said in a report from Rivals. “I’ve met him in real life already. He’s a cool dude and more easier to talk to (than Aranda).”
We know that Aranda is a much better coach than Pelini, but comments like this are cause for concern.
This is really interesting, I think Aranda would do well here and recruit decently.
But what if you have a kid that is between us and say, A&M and Bama. Maybe the deciding factor is the head coach coming in and selling the program and connecting with him on a deeper level which Saban and Fisher can do.
With that said, I would be ecstatic for Dave to come back
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:44 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
If we’ve learned anything it is that Saban gets who he wants and roster management is more important.
Didnt he get us a few LB’s ? Also, wasnt it his connections that got us Burrow ?
Didnt he get us a few LB’s ? Also, wasnt it his connections that got us Burrow ?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:53 pm to OKtiger
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You are not going to beat Alabama and UGA with inferior recruiting/talent
Give me the heads up on who Bama has lost to in the last 10 years.
Also, do you think if Dave was the HC and Grimes the OC we would have beaten Bama this year?
O can NOT manage a roster but he’s hailed a great recruiter. They are equally as dangerous. However, I think Aranda is good enough, at least as good as Les, at recruiting.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:57 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
quote:Unlike most HBCs, Dave is self-aware enough to understand what his weakness is and humble enough to do what is necessary to compensate for it. His first season, he went with Fedora to spread the field, but realized that his team wasn't physical enough. He fires Fedora and hires Grimes to immediately change the entire culture on the team.
I really don’t think most of you understand how below average Dave is at recruiting.
He just isn’t good at it. I’ve seen names flash on here a bunch, he wasn’t the primary recruiter for a vast majority of those guys. Dave just isn’t good in the living room. Ask around, it’s pretty well known.
I don't doubt for one second that Aranda will address his recruiting weaknesses the same way. Because he's such a likable guy and no one has ever had a bad thing to say about him, he'll have no issues lining up an elite recruiting staff.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 3:04 pm to TDTiger225
The bigger issue is Aranda didnt have a knack for evaluating high school LB talent much less close against other elite recruiters. Nakobe Dean said no. We landed Kendall McCallum who quit football within a year. He didn't see Christian Harris as a LB in his backyard.
Wisconsin didn't have elite national recruiting either before he got to LSU. he's a great coach, but not confident we will recruit nationally with him at all.
Wisconsin didn't have elite national recruiting either before he got to LSU. he's a great coach, but not confident we will recruit nationally with him at all.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 3:24 pm to tigerbank24
quote:Fact of the matter is that your HC IS the face of the program. The HC has to "put in a showing" at a minimum.
This is really interesting, I think Aranda would do well here and recruit decently.
But what if you have a kid that is between us and say, A&M and Bama. Maybe the deciding factor is the head coach coming in and selling the program and connecting with him on a deeper level which Saban and Fisher can do.
With that said, I would be ecstatic for Dave to come back
Now... Dave wasn't the HC at LSU, obviously. So going that far wasn't his job. He didn't hate recruiting but he hated any unorganized approach and traveling for what was no gain. For example, spending time recruiting #4 on his board for an edge rusher just because when he could have used that time for #1 and #2 on his board for edge rushers. The idea of wasting time and resources "just because" that's the way others did it that way is the opposite of everything he is.
Now back to the point...
The real question is: At Baylor, now that he is the face of the program, is he recruiting differently. Is he still recruiting like he is a DC? Is he aware that his approach, his actual method of recruiting, different as a HC than a coordinator/position coach?
If so he evolved based on his responsibilities and all this issue about not being a great recruiter or hated recruiting is simply because he recruited in context to his position at LSU and it is now out-of-context and doesn't apply.
If not, then it's a problem with how he recruits, he hasn't evolved with the job/responsibilities, and it is a real true issue in regards to being the HC at LSU.
In Short: you can't rely on how he recruited at LSU. You have to see how (not who, not how successfully) he recruits at Baylor.
quote:This is the real issue I have. Taken with a grain of salt, however. That grain of salt is because position coaches and coordinators rarely decide on priorities alone. There's been many a position coach who wanted A, B, & C and the coordinator/HC overruled them and said B, D, & E were the targets they were going for. But, I think Aranda was given a free hand for the most part making that a big concern. More often than not you see this with "offensive genius" head coaches. They have their system, nothing is going to change that, and they recruit for that system and that system alone- often passing up very good talent that ends up playing against you. Aranda just might be one of those but on the defensive side of the ball. He's might be too specific; he might be letting perfect get in the way of good.
The bigger issue is Aranda didnt have a knack for evaluating high school LB talent much less close against other elite recruiters. Nakobe Dean said no. We landed Kendall McCallum who quit football within a year. He didn't see Christian Harris as a LB in his backyard.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:05 pm to Macintosh
quote:It is what I was told. My cousin was recruited by Saban, so that info comes directly from him. It is not what I think.
You might think he’s boring based of interviews
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:22 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
Dave Aranda's recruiting tool is how high the level of football IQ is that he spits out in front of prospects
then the results speak for themselves
then the results speak for themselves
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:12 am to Imber
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Maason Smith - “It’s definitely better than it was with coach Aranda because I had never really talked to coach Aranda on a personal level, but me and coach Pelini, well, he’s talked to my parents,” he said in a report from Rivals. “I’ve met him in real life already. He’s a cool dude and more easier to talk to (than Aranda).”
We know that Aranda is a much better coach than Pelini, but comments like this are cause for concern.
I don't think there is any question that Pelini is a more personable dude than Aranda. I'd much rather have a beer with Coach O and Pelini over Aranda. I'd love to have Aranda be the best recruiter ever, but his recruiting isn't going to stop me from wanting him as a head coach.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:46 am to sicboy
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it's such an easy "problem" to work around.
How so? His class was #41 last year and is #33 this year. It is possible to coach players for certain games but for a whole year its impossible.
You cannot teach speed and athletic ability..these only come naturally.
Hence the difference between 48 & 5* players verses 2* and 3*.
His combined record is 1 game over 500.
He will not be the coach at LSU.
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