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re: Miles has tied his fate to Crowton's Boat Anchor
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:01 am to lsutigerfan1976
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:01 am to lsutigerfan1976
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If we run the table everyone
ROFLMAO...
Yeah, that'll happen.
Because a new WR coach is on board?
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Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:03 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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So, we really have 1 bad year ('09) of offensive production.
yes, and it needs fixing..living in the success of the past does not work.
The coach is being paid a different paycheck in 09....
should have earned it.
REALITY is..
you are only as good as your last performance.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:07 am to rbdallas
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REALITY is..
you are only as good as your last performance.
Saban sucked in '07
Pete Carroll sucks this year
Joe Pa will never win again (from a few years ago)
Urban Meyer should have been fired after '07
childishness.
Yes, he should have to perform in '10. But, to have one bad performance and suppose there are no possible extenuating circumstances is pitiful.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:14 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Yes, he should have to perform in '10. But, to have one bad performance and suppose there are no possible extenuating circumstances is pitiful.
sorry that you do no like reality,
but that's the way the business world works.
RIGHT NOW, he is perceived as a poor OC,(right or wrong-not relevant---fact)
one of 2 things will happen in '10
..he does really well and cures this image or
..he does bad again and confirms this perception.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:18 am to rbdallas
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one of 2 things will happen in '10
..he does really well and cures this image or
..he does bad again and confirms this perception.
well, no shite.
Again, do you fire Carroll now?
Did you think Saban should have been kicked to the curb in '07?
What about Stoops?
Joe Pa a few years ago?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:22 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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well, no shite. Again, do you fire Carroll now? Did you think Saban should have been kicked to the curb in '07? What about Stoops? Joe Pa a few years ago?
this has nothing to do with Crowton...
if you do not have the ability to stay on the subject,
it is not my fault.
Carroll, Saban, Jo Pa and Stoops are HCs,
Crowton is not a HC.
HCs get more latitude than coordinators.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:29 am to rbdallas
Your contention is that one year's performance follows another. ie: Crowton will fail in '10 because he did poorly in '09.
My HC allusion, then, is correct.
If you were saying Crowton should be fired NOW for his offense THIS season, then you have something to stand on.
I am no saying he will do great in '10. He might. I'm just saying that Crowton will not necessarily do poorly either. He might, but '09 has other reasons for disappointment in offense.
My HC allusion, then, is correct.
If you were saying Crowton should be fired NOW for his offense THIS season, then you have something to stand on.
I am no saying he will do great in '10. He might. I'm just saying that Crowton will not necessarily do poorly either. He might, but '09 has other reasons for disappointment in offense.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:32 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Your contention is that one year's performance follows another. ie: Crowton will fail in '10 because he did poorly in '09.
sorry, I do not recognize YOUR version of what I said.
I said that there are only 2 options for next year..each will carry as set of consequences.
what he did in 08, will have absolutely nothing to do with it.
quote:
He might, but '09 has other reasons for disappointment in offense
you may be right, but it is irrelevant..
reality does not equal fair.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 9:33 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:35 am to rbdallas
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sorry, I do not recognize YOUR version of what I said.
your post:
quote:
REALITY is.. you are only as good as your last performance.
quote:
I said that there are only 2 options for next year..each will carry as set of consequences.
And I agreed with that.
You and I have only been discussing the post from above. You can be better than your last performance...or worse.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:24 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
The tone of some posts is that we wonder why OC Crowton is still around, since its 'obvious' to us that he should be canned.
Remember, Miles has been saying for more than a year that he expects the 2010 to compete for the championship.
So I can see that he doesnt want to change everything. He thinks it could work again.
My guess is that the Penn State game will be used to measure OC Crowton and if LSU loses, LSU will have a new OC.
Remember, Miles has been saying for more than a year that he expects the 2010 to compete for the championship.
So I can see that he doesnt want to change everything. He thinks it could work again.
My guess is that the Penn State game will be used to measure OC Crowton and if LSU loses, LSU will have a new OC.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:46 am to ottothewise
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You and I have only been discussing the post from above. You can be better than your last performance...or worse.
absolutely..only 2 options
..but only 09 and 10 performances will be used for passing judgment by the AD....
IF,if he is allowed to return, it will only be because Miles is gambling Miles' future on him as well....
Miles, right now, is not on totally solid ground.
...remember the two-headed D monster, the clock, and the Off problems..so he is on shaky grounds...
I am not sure Miles is willing to gamble his future on Crowton..
Miles may feel that if he brings in some help around Crowton, all will be well....we'll know AFTER the bowl game.
I have no idea as to whether is is returning or not.
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The tone of some posts is that we wonder why OC Crowton is still around, since its 'obvious' to us that he should be canned.
I really do not know about canned..honestly.
I do not like him, but what we need to have done is FIX THE PROBLEM...as to how Miles decides to go about fixing the problem, is anyone's guess.
..he could bring in a new OC
..he could bring specialized help in to assist the OC
..he may do nothing
in whichever case, Miles would be foolish to think that his job would still be on solid ground if the problem were not to be fixed.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 10:50 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:38 am to rbdallas
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quote:
So, we really have 1 bad year ('09) of offensive production.
yes, and it needs fixing..living in the success of the past does not work.
The coach is being paid a different paycheck in 09....
should have earned it.
REALITY is..
you are only as good as your last performance.
Do Stoops and Carroll take a pay cut for losing to teams with much less talent than them?
Carroll has a higher average star ranking of recruits than every team in the country each yr yet loses to Oregon State,Stanford,Washington,and Oregon. Their classes rarely finish in top 30.
Piccolo player,you can't have it both ways?
Was your hs OC undefeated? Awaiting your response.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 2:12 pm to Bert Lyons 716
FWIW:
Apples and Oranges.
Coaches and Coordinators do not receive the same treatment.
...a coach may be given a little latitude to earn his money..a coordinator is given very little
just reality...Coaches are harder and more expensive to find, not to mention that it hurts the program.
OCs are more easily replaceable
Apples and Oranges.
Coaches and Coordinators do not receive the same treatment.
...a coach may be given a little latitude to earn his money..a coordinator is given very little
just reality...Coaches are harder and more expensive to find, not to mention that it hurts the program.
OCs are more easily replaceable
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/12/09 at 2:21 pm to dgnx6
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says the tcu fan
I hope your head doesn't explode, but look left.
<----------------------- it changed?!? Oh noes!
Posted on 12/12/09 at 2:24 pm to drizztiger
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It's the losers that think 8-8 isn't a cause for concern
It's not the 8-8 that bothers me. There were several tangible reasons that helped contribute to that record. In fact, people who make that point are rather shortsighted in my opinion.
To me, the only question that matters is whether or not this coaching staff (however it ultimately turns out) is more likely to go 8-8 over the same period moving forward or will they be in the 12-14 win range. That we went 8-8 the last 2 years does not matter a damn bit if you think this coaching staff is likely to be in the 12 win range over the next two years.
Your analysis needs to go a little deeper than 8-8 to hold any water.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 2:30 pm to rbdallas
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REALITY is..
you are only as good as your last performance.
uhhhh, that's perception...and often it is shortsighted and faulty logic.
The only thing that matters is whether or not this coaching staff can perform moving forward. If you don't think this coaching staff can do that and your only basis for that statement is "what have they done lately" then your opinion is worthless.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 2:34 pm to moneyg
I simplify as much as possible for the masses here because they can barely acknowledge the actual 8-8 SEC record itself.
Yes, the 8-8 is irrelevant if Miles and staff have the LSU program headed for 6-2, 7-1, 8-0 SEC records in the future. From what I have seen, I am not optimistic. But because Miles is more of a CEO coach and hopefully learned his lesson about being prepared for anything (Ole Miss game), the assistants he hires are very important. It also means that LSU isn't stuck with an OC or DC genius HC that has a defense or offense that doesn't work. It makes the assistants more important, but also allows for Miles to regroup easier than some other HCs.
Yes, the 8-8 is irrelevant if Miles and staff have the LSU program headed for 6-2, 7-1, 8-0 SEC records in the future. From what I have seen, I am not optimistic. But because Miles is more of a CEO coach and hopefully learned his lesson about being prepared for anything (Ole Miss game), the assistants he hires are very important. It also means that LSU isn't stuck with an OC or DC genius HC that has a defense or offense that doesn't work. It makes the assistants more important, but also allows for Miles to regroup easier than some other HCs.
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