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re: Miles said he wasn't going to UM at his press conference
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:44 pm to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:44 pm to Indfanfromcol
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They will be close to 2011 good next year, especially if some of these juniors stay.
Ummmm...no. We have nowhere near the DE's like in 2011 nor a playmaker to the level of TM7. Adams is great, but he has no where near the instincts/turnover forcing ability that TM7 had.
LSU had a veteran OL in 2011 made up 4 Juniors and Seniors and one sophomore in Chris Faulk.
LSU will likely replace at least 3 starters next year on the OL if not 4 and have no seniors on the bench at OL.
People expecting a 2011-like team are delusional. The SEC is significantly better (at least the West) than 2011 too, which was not very good outside of the top 3.
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:55 pm to jdeval1
I told you dumb asses he promised LSU he wouldn't leave for Michigan when he was hired as our coach. 10 years later and the doubt continues 
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:57 pm to Macavity92
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I want Miles to stay. Having been an LSU student through the entire 6 year losing stretch I can tell that the level of play during Miles 10 years has been excellent. What you can ask from a coach and a team is to be competitive. Miles has. Spare me the 1/9/12 and Arkansas crap. Those are 2 games over 10 years.
I disagree. I think we've seen excellent play at times and seen putrid play at times. I think LSU has been more talented than 90% or more of their opponents, which means I think they should win more than 80% of their games. For as much as people love to claim Les is great recruiter, they'll turn right around and blame recruiting misses/issues for the team's struggles.
In the end, LSU has shown it has the talent to compete with anyone, but has lacked certain aspects of coaching skill to really meet it out.
That is the major difference between Bama and LSU right now. One team finds ways to win while the other doesn't. It starts with the mentality as well. I doubt you see a Bama OL quit on their QB like LSU's did last year with Mett. It was disgusting.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:03 am to jonboy
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If Miles was mandating it: he's an idiot. If Chavis was mandating it & Miles didn't override him: Miles is still an idiot.
There is one flaw in this argument. Did you watch Beckwith when he did play against MSU and AU? He was just as lost as Welter most of the time. More athletic, but he was still making plenty of mistakes. And it wasn't like he didn't see the field early in the season. Lack of early reps weren't the issue. He was out there a lot in the OOC games, so the fact that he didn't hands down take the job away is on him as much as the coaching staff. Like the O-Line, he just took time to come around.
It wasn't until the UF and UK games that the light came on and he started to really emerge. He actually still had a couple of missed assignments early in the UF game.
At the end of the day, this is more of a recruiting issue than anything else. Beckwith needed time before stepping in at MLB, and the coaches figured Welter could bridge the gap. They failed in that they didn't have another guy lined up as a backup plan, and it cost us. Thankfully, we now have Garrett waiting in the wings, with time to grow into the position.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:03 am to Geauxgurt
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which means I think they should win more than 80% of their games
If Miles wins the bowl game and the season opener he will be ^ 80%
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In the end, LSU has shown it has the talent to compete with anyone
Fallacy -- this previous recruiting class was our best in 4-5 years. The past few years we've missed out on a few guys that were huge losses. The talent we brought in was not anything comparable to what we lost in 2011 & 2012.
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That is the major difference between Bama and LSU right now. One team finds ways to win while the other doesn't
Experience at skill position was a big factor this year. How about that Ole Miss game though? RTR
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:05 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:12 am to GeorgeReymond
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If Miles wins the bowl game and the season opener he will be ^ 80%
Ummm.. no he won't. He would be 105-28, which is a percentage of 79% not 80%. Look at his last 7 years and Les is 69-22 (~76%).
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Fallacy -- this previous recruiting class was our best in 4-5 years. The past few years we've missed out on a few guys that were huge losses. The talent we brought in was not anything comparable to what we lost in 2011 & 2012.
Then Les' recruiting prowess is overrated seeing as he needed the greatest talent in Louisiana HS history to get a top 2 recruiting class, right?
People can't claim Les is a great recruiter that can't be replaced, while claiming LSU doesn't have good enough talent in the same breath.
That is the fallacy.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:25 am to Geauxgurt
I am only talking about the Defense. Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you forget how well the defense played the last half of the year?
They got their shite together, and I would argue that last years secondary is more talented than 2011 (just my opinion).
They got their shite together, and I would argue that last years secondary is more talented than 2011 (just my opinion).
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:28 am to Geauxgurt
I apologize you are correct, 79%. Miscalculation in my head. He's at .786 now. So it'll take 5-6 wins to get back to 80%? I don't feel like pulling out a calculator
Why not look at his whole career. What's his record as a coach in general? What's his record the past 2 years? What's his record the past 15 years? 3 years? This arbitrary bullshite is laughable.
So you've selected the the past 7 years as your rebuttal. Find me a coach in our history that has a winning percentage better than 76% (with one or more season, btw)
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Look at his last 7 years and Les is 69-22 (~76%).
Why not look at his whole career. What's his record as a coach in general? What's his record the past 2 years? What's his record the past 15 years? 3 years? This arbitrary bullshite is laughable.
So you've selected the the past 7 years as your rebuttal. Find me a coach in our history that has a winning percentage better than 76% (with one or more season, btw)
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Then Les' recruiting prowess is overrated seeing as he needed the greatest talent in Louisiana HS history to get a top 2 recruiting class, right?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:39 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:31 am to Indfanfromcol
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I am only talking about the Defense. Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you forget how well the defense played the last half of the year?
Again, we don't have near the DE talent that we did in 2011 this year or next year. We are perhaps as talented at safety, but at CB its not, especially at Nickel back. There is no TM7 on this team.
Again, we don't have anywhere near the DE talent, DT is a little weaker although it may prove to be just as good.
LBer is not going to be overall as good.
It will be a very talented defense, but not near the type of defense we saw in 2011. You can be optimistic, but that is unrealistic to even expect.
We also won't have near the special teams playmakers.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:40 am to Geauxgurt
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Again, we don't have near the DE talent that we did in 2011 this year or next year. We are perhaps as talented at safety, but at CB its not, especially at Nickel back. There is no TM7 on this team.
There might not be a TM7, but this corner group is just as talented.
Our DE's might not be as good, but our DT's will be better.
And it isn't unrealistic to think they can come close. Look at the stats from this year and 2011.
2011- 3rd Points Against (11.3), 5th yards allowed (3661 yards allowed)
2014- 3rd Points Against (16.4), 8th yards allowed (3670). In fact, we gave up 452 less passing yards this year than 2011.
The main difference in those 2 years was turnovers. But this team didn't click until midway, and two give up as much as they did in the first half of the season, and STILL produce similar numbers to the 2011 defense. Momentum and a few juniors staying, and this defense will be close to 2011.
Or you can keep being a negatiger right now and shite on everything LSU right now.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:41 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:33 am to josh336
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Am curious why he wouldnt say it on the record
He loves Michigan, he doesn't want to wrong them in any way. He is committed to LSU.. and it looks bad for him to say No to a job that may not even formally be offered to him.. makes him look bad.
He did it perfectly.. addressing it this way without giving an actual statement or comment. This was actually this best approach.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I doubt saban had much to do with the QBs success this year, probably all Kiffin. As far as the rest of the shite you threw out there, some of you dum-dums have got your noses so far up sabans arse, you idiots can't see straight
saban had a rebuilding year this year, and he's got the #1 team, won the conference, is in the playoffs, and his RB-turned-QB had a better year this year than our superstar QB did last year
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:23 am to Indfanfromcol
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but our DT's will be better.
"Dear God,
Please let LSU have Jon Taylor, Valentine, and Godchaux handle LSU's interior.
amen."
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:33 am to BeeFense5
[quote] He likes to keep things close to the chest.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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saban had a rebuilding year this year, and he's got the #1 team, won the conference, is in the playoffs, and his RB-turned-QB had a better year this year than our super star QB did last year (with 2 NFL WRs and an NFL RB on the roster)
Rebuilding? Let's review the facts. Saban had a fifth year senior starting at QB for the first time, stud running backs, top notch receivers, including a Heisman trophy candidate and a tough defense. Sounds not unlike, oh, 2007?
Next year may be a rebuilding year for UA. This year was not.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:00 am to earl keese
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I doubt saban had much to do with the QBs success this year, probably all Kiffin.
well his ability to direct his offense under multiple coordinators without losing a beat is something to respect
compare that to the direction of our offense under les, post-2007. attempt at spread to pro to spread option back to pro, and then forcing in JJ to get some more spread option looks. then back to pro-style (with mobile QBs post-Mett). our OL shifts from zone to man every couple years, leaving us with a talent issue (fitting the scheme) pretty constantly.
kiffin was great this year for sure, but Bama has had multiple OCs during their reign of terror and they don't really lose a beat. we seem to lose a year on offense ever so often due to middling by miles. hell even this year the OL play took half a season to get the hang of the new blocking scheme.
and this isn't a "saban" thing b/c he raised LSU up from the depths of CFB purgatory. they are the standard. les should be looking at bama for an example of how to run a program, since they do it better than we do. and for the record, early on at bama saban did have some issues with the offense and it took him a couple years to settle in. les has been here 10 years and since jimbo left, we have been searching for an offensive philosophy and change it up every few years
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:04 am to Macavity92
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Saban had a fifth year senior starting at QB f
who was formerly a backup RB, iirc
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stud running backs, top notch receivers, including a Heisman trophy candidate and a tough defense
their defense was an issue and not up to typical saban/bama levels. this was due to juniors leaving and talent transition
bama and lsu are always going to have stud RBs and top notch WRs
also bama was starting a true frosh at LT for most of the year. that alone is rebuilding an OL
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:10 am to Macavity92
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Next year may be a rebuilding year for UA.
Everyone keeps saying this.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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they are the standard. les should be looking at bama for an example of how to run a program, since they do it better than we do. and for the record, early on at bama saban did have some issues with the offense and it took him a couple years to settle in
I agree- Saban realizes the conference is a different beast than it was just 4 years ago. You can make the argument his offensive adjustments (Kiffin) has made this team the title contender it is.
Good defense cannot win all your ballgames anymore.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:31 am to mikeytig
yeah i mean seriously. mett was great for us last year. but when i looked up simms' stats, he had a better year this year
and he was supposed to be a throwaway player in a rebuilding year. that's just amazing to think about
and he was supposed to be a throwaway player in a rebuilding year. that's just amazing to think about
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