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Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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You completely ignore the fact that herman, Jimbo, and Orgeron are not the only people that are college coaches in the nation
I don't ignore that at all. The rush to hire O is probably my biggest criticism of the whole thing. But I was hoping we'd find a guy who wasn't a household name like Baylor, Houston, and Oregon appear to have done.(Fuente was my 3rd choice. But I did want O over Gundy and Fedora, as I honestly believe he will be a better coach--AT LSU--than the other 2.
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the fact that we had a 3 man search with only ONE interview is a bigger joke than Os resume. Defend O because hes a good ole boy all you want but you are the one being intellectually dishonest if you are defending Joe Allevas actions
I'm not defending either of them. The only people I am defending are folks like me who aren't ready to either murder somebody or eat a bullet ourselves. I am being extremely honest intellectually. Did you bother to read anything besides the thread title?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:27 pm to BilJ
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As far as engaging in productive conversations with your average O supporter...it's extremely tough
That's fair.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:31 pm to Hot Carl
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But I did want O over Gundy and Fedora, as I honestly believe he will be a better coach--AT LSU--than the other 2.
I've never cared much for Fedora, but Gundy has won way more than Les Miles ever did at Oklahoma St. If Miles could look competent at LSU, I'm certain that Gundy could.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:32 pm to wildtigercat93
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the fact that we had a 3 man search with only ONE interview is a bigger joke than Os resume. Defend O because hes a good ole boy all you want but you are the one being intellectually dishonest if you are defending Joe Allevas actions
And the fact that they got a two month head start on the search by firing miles 4 games in. How anyone can defend alleva on that plus what you said is mind numbing.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:39 pm to lsu mike
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And the fact that they got a two month head start on the search by firing miles 4 games in. How anyone can defend alleva on that plus what you said is mind numbing.
Who--in this thread--is defending Alleva?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:40 pm to retreaux
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no doubt. Herman was not coming and Jimbo wanted too much I guess.
Its just too bad that those 3 were the only coaches left on the planet and Joe had to choose from them and no one else.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:03 pm to Hot Carl
Ok let's be honest...you sit here and say what was the rush blah blah blah but your man was Herman...we had basically hired him before coach O so if we had why wouldn't we have been rushing then?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:07 pm to Hot Carl
I can fap to this thread
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:15 pm to Open Your Eyes
Herman has said his dream job was to be Texas' HC since he was a grad assistant there. We weren't winning that fight.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:29 pm to Hot Carl
FWIW I don't think Alleva is by any means a good AD for this university. I think he will always be haunted by his time at Duke.
Coach O will at least be 8-5 next year or better. But he's not a long term solution.
If this coaching hire fails, I believe Alleva should be out. He needs to be held to the same standards as anyone with a job. His hires as of late have underperformed.
TLDR; Alleva is the problem. If Coach O doesn't work out he needs to be gone.
Coach O will at least be 8-5 next year or better. But he's not a long term solution.
If this coaching hire fails, I believe Alleva should be out. He needs to be held to the same standards as anyone with a job. His hires as of late have underperformed.
TLDR; Alleva is the problem. If Coach O doesn't work out he needs to be gone.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:33 pm to Hot Carl
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While it has become a pretty hilarious meme, you have to give O credit for forging a masterful campaign to get the job
And when he fails again, should I congratulate him on his masterful campaign?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:35 pm to Choupique19
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Gundy has won way more than Les Miles ever did at Oklahoma St. If Miles could look competent at LSU, I'm certain that Gundy could.
Yeah. I don't understand the dislike for Gundy. What he has done at OSU is more impressive than what Miles did, and Miles basically rebuilt that program.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:55 pm to Hot Carl
If that makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.
He was a horrible hire after our AD screwed up many things. It is possible we could have found a great coach by accident. That remains to be seen.
I want coach zero to be successful. I want LSU to be successful. I don't want us hiring another coach in the next 10 years. It is not a good or healthy thing. Unfortunately, I see it happening. As sure as two 16 year olds in a shotgun wedding. The prognosis for success doesn't look good but is possible.
I am not mad at Orgeron. I am mad at Alleva for fing this up.
He was a horrible hire after our AD screwed up many things. It is possible we could have found a great coach by accident. That remains to be seen.
I want coach zero to be successful. I want LSU to be successful. I don't want us hiring another coach in the next 10 years. It is not a good or healthy thing. Unfortunately, I see it happening. As sure as two 16 year olds in a shotgun wedding. The prognosis for success doesn't look good but is possible.
I am not mad at Orgeron. I am mad at Alleva for fing this up.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:11 am to wildtigercat93
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Explain to me how this is a good thing
This. I understand why he would do it. But it makes me not really like him personally. Instead of standing on merits, he used public perception to get the job. He had planned out the media support and knew exactly how to get it. And that pisses me off.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:27 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:16 am to Topwater Trout
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but your man was Herman...we had basically hired him before coach O so if we had why wouldn't we have been rushing then?
Because we'd have gotten the #1 CFB target in America in 2016. Why wait?
** of course Herman was actually OUR #2 target behind Jimbo which was never happening.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:48 am to wildtigercat93
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You completely ignore the fact that herman, Jimbo, and Orgeron are not the only people that are college coaches in the nation
the fact that we had a 3 man search with only ONE interview is a bigger joke than Os resume.
This was the most disappointing thing about the coaching search. It reeked of laziness, and total incompetence.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:49 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:48 am to Hot Carl
Lots of old timers in this thread, coincidentally providing good discussion and debate about a heated topic without hardly any trolling and juvenile name calling.
This is the board I joined.
This is the board I joined.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:08 am to Hot Carl
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LSU to a 5-2 record
I doubt this would have changed much as far as other schools' view of his potential. His best win was A&M. Do you know how many coaches could have beat A&M with this LSU team? Our last one never had a problem with that. Coach O went 0-2 against the only teams that are currently ranked. The fact of the matter is Coach O is not a good HC, but we can hide this fact with a good OC and an elite DC. How many other top tier coaches out there have as little involvement in the play calling on both sides of the ball as Orgeron will?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:33 am to Hot Carl
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it has become a pretty hilarious meme, you have to give O credit for forging a masterful campaign to get the job. People seem to think he stupidly stumble his way into the gig. Not true. He obviously had his eyes on the job from the get-go. Hell, you could tell in his 1st coaches show he was in an all-out battle to retain Aranda 2 months in the future. Every time they asked about the defense, he went out of his way to fellate Dave. He had a plan to get the job and he killed it. You have to tip your cap for that level of ambition. Hell, he may have even contributed to Miles' firing
This makes it worse. The fact that a coach had to mount a political campaign to get the job, instead of letting his performance speak for itself, is a bad bellweather for the future.
Unless, of course, he's able to politick Nick Saban and the other SEC coaches into losing to him.
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