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re: There is a ton of intellectual dishonesty regarding O
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:36 am to Hot Carl
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:36 am to Hot Carl
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Orgeron that interimly lead BOTH USC to a 6-2 record AND LSU to a 5-2 record never hit the open market
Put that over a 12 game season and it's not too good. In fact it's a little lower than Miles' average. Both of those interim seasons included a Florida type loss in there as well.
Durning the search I was in the Jimbo camp with O second. I really thought that Jimbo would blow the top off at LSU. In the same breath, if we wound up with anyone but Jimbo (or someone considered elite) the coaching search in my opinion was a failure on Alleva's part.
LSU had a chance here to make a statement. We had a chance to push our name back to the elite conversation just like Ohio State did with Urban, Bama did with Saban, and Michigan did with Jim.
I live out of state, after the hire was made everyone that follows football came up to me to see what I thought about Coach O, I instantly flipped it and asked what they thought. Bama fans, FSU fans, Ole Miss Fans, UF fans, UT fans, AU fans, and Clemson fans all said the same thing. They were glad that someone who wanted the job that badly got it. They were all happy because of the feel good story of O.
But those same people all said before O coached one game that the job was bigger than O and that they wouldn't be happy with him at their schools.
That tells me all I need to know.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:56 am to baobabtiger
When the fans of every other school are excited about your new HC, you made the wrong hire.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:34 am to The Egg
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ffw to when miles was canned, it all worked according to plan. his first duty was to reward his pal for the help on the airwaves by actually letting him into the program, unprecedented access never before seen for a media member turned glorified admin assistant.
and what happens now? all media, sub sites, everything is controlled by the regime. media sites will be granted more access than ever in favor of glowing positive articles written about the regi
when does the rainfall of commits if O gets the job start by the way?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:15 am to BilJ
quote:This is exactly where I am...
I'll eventually bull shite myself into thinking this will work and be on board, I did it every offseason the last few years with Les....but man right now my instincts say this will be the moment in LSU history that I tell my kids about to explain why LSU football sucks now.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:26 am to BilJ
quote:hell, they are starting to pump out the excuses already. It's Miles fault, that was the theme of the morning show.
when does the rainfall of commits if O gets the job start by the way?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:44 am to SportTiger1
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Explain to me how this is a good thing
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SportTiger1
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This. I understand why he would do it. But it makes me not really like him personally. Instead of standing on merits, he used public perception to get the job. He had planned out the media support and knew exactly how to get it. And that pisses me off.
was just about to post the exact same thing..then i read yours, sounds to me alot like a politician... and we all know politicians blame everyone else except themselves and the idiots will believe every word of it.. The same people who wanted to keep miles, the same people who wanted orgeron after LSU beat some teams they were suppose to beat anyway.. Hell Gumby could have coached them to a victory.. its been a couple of weeks and I am still pissed at this hire and how bad it will be, unfortunately we will have to wait a whole year for it to happen.. they will win 10 games next year because of energy in year one.. it will wear off in year two
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:48 am to BilJ
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and what happens now? all media, sub sites, everything is controlled by the regime. media sites will be granted more access than ever in favor of glowing positive articles written
sounds alot like Obama.. and communism..
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:49 am to Hot Carl
quote:The O haters ignore this part.
.(Fuente was my 3rd choice. But I did want O over Gundy and Fedora, as I honestly believe he will be a better coach--AT LSU--than the other 2.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:52 am to BilJ
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I'm not saying what you wrote is shite, I'll eventually bullshite myself into thinking this will work and be on board, I did it every offseason the last few years with Les
I can't agree with you here. Orgeron is going to have to prove me wrong on the field. At least with Miles when I'd convince myself that this year was going to be different, I had half of his LSU career to base that optimism on.
The only basis for optimism with Orgeron is his interim record, but only if you don't dig to deeply. He has one quality win in 14 games as an interim head coach.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:56 am to Hot Carl
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But I did want O over Gundy and Fedora
Not No, but HELL NO... Gundy has more football knowledge in his pinky than O has in his whole body.. I would almost say the same thing about Fedora.. Gundy was my top choice.
Could Oregeron have Oklahoma State Ranked in the top 10-15? every year?.. not even close..
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:02 am to Hot Carl
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1) Concluding that O was a terrible hire because no other schools wanted him.
No school may have come after him, but the fact is that the Orgeron that interimly lead BOTH USC to a 6-2 record AND LSU to a 5-2 record never hit the open market. Just because he wasn't a hot commodity after the USC gig doesn't mean he wouldn't have been thought of much more highly and considered for other HC jobs if we hadn't hired him. We'll never know.
But the natural transition from Position Coach is not to Head Coach....generally speaking you move to a Coordinator Position. If he was a good coach, with potential for more responsibility, you have to think that someone would come take a chance and give him a promotion to DC, we weren't going to do it with Aranda in house. And mostly, we know who the hot items are in terms of press at the end of every year, which coordinators are looking to head coach, what programs are looking at what coaches. O's name wasn't mentioned anywhere at the end of 2015. Granted, we don't have ALL of the facts, but the lack of news says something.
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2) O was an unemployed DL coach when we hired him
While technically true, he was obviously not working by his own free will. He was still getting paid by USC and stayed home to major his family and watch his son play high school football(I think). And maybe waiting for the LSU DL job to open up. Regardless, it's not like we picked him up off the street like some imply.
He put his name out for the Syracuse job and lobbied on the radio. Again, yes we don't have all of the facts, but the stuff we do know tells a particular story. Combine that with #1...eh. It doesn't inspire confidence.
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3) The binder
While it has become a pretty hilarious meme, you have to give O credit for forging a masterful campaign to get the job. People seem to think he stupidly stumble his way into the gig. Not true. He obviously had his eyes on the job from the get-go. Hell, you could tell in his 1st coaches show he was in an all-out battle to retain Aranda 2 months in the future. Every time they asked about the defense, he went out of his way to fellate Dave. He had a plan to get the job and he killed it. You have to tip your cap for that level of ambition. Hell, he may have even contributed to Miles' firing
I think most people commend O and his media bulldogs on getting the job done....that's because he doesn't really deserve the job. He convinced half the fanbase, the administration, and the media, that he was a fit for something he isn't.
Again, great work, but that doesn't say anything about his success on the field.
Also, the binder is funny, but we still don't know the offense he wants to run, and his OC hires, which had to be a part of that binder, we know nothing about. If Kiffin is plan A, what's plan B? And if he doesn't get plan A then does that say something about his "binder" and plan?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:05 am to AlxTgr
quote:most are not O haters, we are haters of the process that got O the job, and haters of the crap job that was a coaching search.
The O haters
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:06 am to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:08 am to TiegerTim
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most are not O haters, we are haters of the process that got O the job, and haters of the crap job that was a coaching search.
exactly, he should be a DL coach/Recruiting Coord at LSU for the next 10 years, not the Head Coach..
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:08 am to TiegerTim
O "recruited" the fan base and Alleva and so far it looks like he sold them a load of bullshite....so basically what O has made his name doing, bullshitting kids.
-Best offensive staff in America, strongly hinting you had Kiffin locked up....looks like he's got other plans and now we're in back up mode.
-Recruits were just itching to jump on board once we committed to O.....crickets.
-Best offensive staff in America, strongly hinting you had Kiffin locked up....looks like he's got other plans and now we're in back up mode.
-Recruits were just itching to jump on board once we committed to O.....crickets.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:15 am to The Egg
One thing I'll say about Coach O is that he wanted it bad. He's said that it was his dream job and he has certainly acted like that's true. He put on a full court press to get the job. He might go down in a flaming pile of shite ash but you gotta respect the hustle.
That's one thing that gives me a little hope. He has the passion, fire, and intensity that you usually see in young up and coming coaches. He's the polar opposite of Les in that regard. Les was content with where his program was. He was content with his 9 wins a season. There was no sense of urgency, even after he was given another chance. All he had to do was bring in a modern offensive mind. Instead he was like, "What, me worry?"
That's one thing that gives me a little hope. He has the passion, fire, and intensity that you usually see in young up and coming coaches. He's the polar opposite of Les in that regard. Les was content with where his program was. He was content with his 9 wins a season. There was no sense of urgency, even after he was given another chance. All he had to do was bring in a modern offensive mind. Instead he was like, "What, me worry?"
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:17 am to BilJ
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O "recruited" the fan base and Alleva
The guy is a great salesman. Let's face it if he wasn't a coach he would be the most successful salesman down in Port Fourchon.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:23 am to Freauxzen
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But the natural transition from Position Coach is not to Head Coach....generally speaking you move to a Coordinator Position. If he was a good coach, with potential for more responsibility, you have to think that someone would come take a chance and give him a promotion to DC, we weren't going to do it with Aranda in house.
I will piggyback off this point. O was an assistant under two of the better defensive minded coaches in Jimmy Johnson (Miami) & Pete Carroll (USC) who both have won college titles & Super Bowl titles. Both coaches have had successful defenses on both levels yet Coach O has never once been offered a DC job? Not only that, O is not regarded as a defensive guru, just an excellent D-Line coach & recruiter. Has none of the knowledge from being on those staffs not been passed down to him? One would figure after all these years, he would have at least been a coordinator somewhere & fielded some bad arse defenses but he hasn't.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:24 am to kbro
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Because we'd have gotten the #1 CFB target in America in 2016. Why wait?
based on what exactly? Because LSU and Texas showed interest in him?
I am just amazed people don't see the hypocrisy...we rushed hiring O and did a terrible search...we would not have rushed hiring Herman and would have done a great search. How come it can't be we did a great search and out top 2 would not agree to a deal so we hired our 3rd choice?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:32 am to Topwater Trout
you had to act fast on Herman, he was a hot prospect other elite programs were going after. You think O was going anywhere if Alleva did his fricking job? O's resume isn't good enough for him to be your #1 no questions asked.
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