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re: Watch 15 minutes of Matt Canada (Pitt OC) playcalling (Edit: More Video)
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:54 pm to OneMoreTime
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:54 pm to OneMoreTime
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Pitt finished this game with 91 yards of passing offense.
That has 12 upvotes, but
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11/15 passing for 91 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 INT. They ran it 56 times for 341 yards and 3 TDs.
Only LSU fans
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:54 pm to dgtiger3
I'll admit that I have watched about 2 minutes of pitt before that. Power run game, but with movement and deception, along with sweeps thrown in to keep the ends from diving in to make tackles from behind. I like it a lot.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:54 pm to Cs
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Pitt finished this game with 91 yards of passing offense.
Isn't this precisely what we're trying to avoid?
There were several other games where the QB had over 250+ in the air. He had 2600 yards passing. That would have been good enough for 5th in the SEC. Pitt was also 23rd in the nation in 3rd down conversion %. Bama was the only SEC team ranked higher.
LSU's passing game struggled under Miles because I think he viewed it more as an opportunity for greater risk vs. a integral part of the offense. LSU tried to run safe routes at all costs. The middle of the field was a virtual no-mans land. Everything was a long developing route out of pretty basic formations. LSU wasn't difficult to scheme against in the passing game. Rarely did their formations or routes bust guys wide open
LSU will have one of the best RBs in the country next season. He SHOULD get the ball 25 times a game. I'd be fine with Helfrich, but I don't think LSU needs to completely blow up the offense completely. They just have to change the approach. Attack all areas of the field. Design plays to create mis-matches for your playmakers. Stop being terrified to throw inside the red-zone. If Canada can do that, I'm on board.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:55 pm to OneMoreTime
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Well the difference there is that the run was working against Penn St. He wasn't bashing his head into a brick wall like we've done against Bama.
Against Clemson, the run game wasn't quite as effective (though still effective at 33 carries for 156 and 1 TD), so they threw the ball for 22/37, 308 yards and 5 TDs
This werent all passes vs Clemson. Most of the completions were forward laterals (shuttle/shovel passes) behind the line of scrimmage. Nothing more than fwd tosses. The run game did work against clemson. The shuttle passes were sort of a part of the rushing attack.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:55 pm to Cs
This Broyles-award-nominated offense was run by NATHAN PETERMAN. And you're doubting Canada's ability to successfully run an offense? My dear lord.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 1:07 pm to OneMoreTime
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11/15 passing for 91 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 INT. They ran it 56 times for 341 yards and 3 TDs.
We might as well keep Ensmigner if this is what we're going after.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 1:19 pm to Fiji Hombres
EDIT added to OP:
Added some more video with a little more of the passing game involved vs Va Tech (20th ranked D on S&P+)
Lot of passing to the TE and throws over the middle of the field.
Va Tech at Pitt
19:30 mark to 23:00 min mark
30:25 mark to 32:00 min
35:50 mark to 39:45
1:12:30 mark to 1:15:15 (A hurry up drive down late.)
Added some more video with a little more of the passing game involved vs Va Tech (20th ranked D on S&P+)
Lot of passing to the TE and throws over the middle of the field.
Va Tech at Pitt
19:30 mark to 23:00 min mark
30:25 mark to 32:00 min
35:50 mark to 39:45
1:12:30 mark to 1:15:15 (A hurry up drive down late.)
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 1:23 pm to dgtiger3
In other words the same old garbage as Ensminger ran for O. Can't beat Bama with that without the horses up front. Done and done. Screw this shite.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:42 pm to dgtiger3
I watched...
Meh
Looks alot like what we have been doing...some of those shovel passes/trickeration plays will get blown up against the good teams we play.
Ran a goofy flea flicker pass to the QB, got about 6 yards..lucky the QB didnt get his head taken off.
NO THANKS
NOTE: Penn State looked awful in that game.
Meh
Looks alot like what we have been doing...some of those shovel passes/trickeration plays will get blown up against the good teams we play.
Ran a goofy flea flicker pass to the QB, got about 6 yards..lucky the QB didnt get his head taken off.
NO THANKS
NOTE: Penn State looked awful in that game.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:05 pm to Roovelroe
Yeah my intention wasn't to prove how awesome or terrible he was, just give people a realistic look at what Pitt's offense was this season in a nutshell.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:08 pm to OneMoreTime
All you guys need to know is he scored 74 vs Syracuse
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:13 pm to Prominentwon
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All you guys need to know is he scored 74 vs Syracuse
Syracuse essentially looked like a Jv defense out there in that game. When I watched their highlights, I came away with the impression that it was more Syracuse being terrible than Pitt being great.
I guess the counter point to that argument is that we made the Syracuse defense look serviceable, so imagine what he would do for us. And that would be valid, but most of Pitts success vs Syracuse came from mental mistakes and shite atheletes. The window dressing will work well against directional schools, but against defenses with sound principles and sec caliber athletes, it may not look so stellar.
In the end I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to hiring him because he's certainly better than what we have, I'm just not as enamored with him as some are.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:14 pm to Prominentwon
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All you guys need to know is he scored 74 vs Syracuse
syracuse? really?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:21 pm to prepsportsallday
Lots of folks commenting on things they know little, to nothing about. I don't profess to be an expert in football, but I am able to evaluate results. Also, I think people get too hung up on "pass" vs. "run," ... to me, the key is unpredictability, deception, advantage at the point of attack. Think about the wishbone offenses run in the 70s (Alabama, Oklahoma) ... they relied upon deception, sleight of hand, misdirection, multiple options on each play. Not much passing, true, but also to an extent, risky b/c so many different things were in motion, the ball was changing hands.
Personally, all I care about is winning, which means scoring more points than the other team. A team can call plays that technically are "runs," but that are deceptive; can call pass plays that are predictable. Need to get out of that mindset, only passing the ball is innovative or deceptive.
I never heard of Canada before this OC search, just like I haven't heard of 99% of the OC's at any other college. From what I've read about him, I like him and he sounds like he'd be a great choice ... but do I know that for a fact? No. But I liked the sound of unbalanced lines, and I like the sound of deception, misdirection (which we DIDN'T try against Alabama this year), and of course, I want an effective passing game as well.
Personally, all I care about is winning, which means scoring more points than the other team. A team can call plays that technically are "runs," but that are deceptive; can call pass plays that are predictable. Need to get out of that mindset, only passing the ball is innovative or deceptive.
I never heard of Canada before this OC search, just like I haven't heard of 99% of the OC's at any other college. From what I've read about him, I like him and he sounds like he'd be a great choice ... but do I know that for a fact? No. But I liked the sound of unbalanced lines, and I like the sound of deception, misdirection (which we DIDN'T try against Alabama this year), and of course, I want an effective passing game as well.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:28 pm to TigerJeff
I also like very much what I'm reading .... one game, 91 yds passing, 346 yards rushing, another game, over 250 yds passing... gee, you mean the guy actually TAILORS an individual gameplan for EACH opponent?! What a novel concept!
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:50 pm to TigerJeff
Pitt: 2600 yards, 26 TDs, 6 INTs
LSU: 2064 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs
Oh and Rushing was Pitt 2757 and LSU 2619 so not much difference there.
So what's the problem?
LSU: 2064 yards, 10 TDs, 6 INTs
Oh and Rushing was Pitt 2757 and LSU 2619 so not much difference there.
So what's the problem?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:56 pm to Cs
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Pitt finished this game with 91 yards of passing offense.
Isn't this precisely what we're trying to avoid?
For the love of gawd they scored 42 points
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:59 pm to dgtiger3
That Pitt offensive line is legit... 
Guice would run for 3500 yards behind those man movers!
Guice would run for 3500 yards behind those man movers!Posted on 12/12/16 at 5:07 pm to TigerJeff
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I also like very much what I'm reading .... one game, 91 yds passing, 346 yards rushing, another game, over 250 yds passing... gee, you mean the guy actually TAILORS an individual gameplan for EACH opponent?! What a novel concept!
From watching a bunch of the film over the weekend I really don't think Canada is that "gimmicky" - more like do what you need to do to try and beat each opponent and put the ball in the hands of his game-makers
-I think guice would be a beast in that Offense
-Chark or Drake Davis on the sweeps would be scary
-Etling is a much better passer than the Pitt QB Peterman, more passing options would be available
-If Lindsey Scott is any good he would be incredible in that offense, if Canada is hired he should just move into his basement and study film
Posted on 12/12/16 at 5:16 pm to nvcowboyfan
Not much different thane what we've had at Lsu other than more pre snap movements and success. He seems solid and we do have the personell to fit what Canada likes to do
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