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re: What OC fits our style of recruting, and runs Pro Style???
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:37 am to Angry LLAMA
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:37 am to Angry LLAMA
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its amazing what some coaching does
this can be accomplished with a pro-style offense
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Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:i think elite pro style <<<<<< elite spread
this can be accomplished with a pro-style offense
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:50 am to Angry LLAMA
I think the spread is so largely dependent on the qb to run it successfully vs. a pro where you can mask a lot of that hiding him behind your better strengths. The spread can be great with the right components, but you'll get more yearly consistency with the pro, especially in the SEC
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:52 am to Angry LLAMA
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i think elite pro style <<<<<< elite spread
elite really isn't the question, because that is rare over time for any given program. If you don't have the spread option QB and the line, you're going to be very mediocre.
why does Nick Saban refuse to go to the spread?
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:58 am to ForeLSU
pro style.
we have maulers coming in on the o-line and our backs are built to run plays up the field not side to side. more isolation, less sweep.
we have maulers coming in on the o-line and our backs are built to run plays up the field not side to side. more isolation, less sweep.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:00 pm to ForeLSU
Well hopefully Harbaugh leaves and we could pick up David Shaw and Greg Roman from Stanford
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:00 pm to ForeLSU
quote:b/c hes an NFL guy at heart?
why does Nick Saban refuse to go to the spread?
lets do this: which offense is harder to defend? our very own D can handle pro-style. historically, they are awful against a running QB. im not sure theres any defense that has a good track record of defending mobile QBs
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:03 pm to Angry LLAMA
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im not sure theres any defense that has a good track record of defending mobile QBs
Ohio St
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:05 pm to BilJ
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I think the spread is so largely dependent on the qb to run it successfully vs. a pro where you can mask a lot of that hiding him behind your better strengths
exactly
UF and UT didn't exactly have great offenses this year when they ran out of amazing QBs to throw out there
AU wasn't nearly the same offense pre-newton, and they won't be nearly the same in 2011
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:07 pm to usc6158
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Ohio St
yup
a few big10 teams have had success against the spread option, b/c they coach a disciplined defense that stops the run first
Ohio State is one of these teams, and has been stopping option-based offenses in the modern game for a while
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:everytime theyve faced a big time spread team, theyve gotten their teeth kicked in. texas 05, florida 06, lsu 07
Ohio St
just b/c no one in the big cankles conference runs a good one, doesnt mean they defend it well
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:18 pm to Angry LLAMA
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lets do this: which offense is harder to defend?
any offense with elite players is hard to defend, with Chris Todd, however, Malzahn had no chance at beating LSU.
The problem is the spread option is growing into something teams are seeing more and more, vs. something they only saw from a small school or mid-major once a year, so teams will focus more on stopping it, and it's weaknesses will be exposed...a la the triple option in the old days.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:20 pm to ForeLSU
I want a pro style offense of the simplest of reasons.
We have to watch CBS. If there is misdirection, it takes 2/3 of the play to know where the ball is....
"Pro Style, easier on the eyes"
We have to watch CBS. If there is misdirection, it takes 2/3 of the play to know where the ball is....
"Pro Style, easier on the eyes"
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:25 pm to tigerfoot
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I want a pro style offense of the simplest of reasons.
We have to watch CBS. If there is misdirection, it takes 2/3 of the play to know where the ball is....
"Pro Style, easier on the eyes"
Damn thats funny.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:28 pm to Angry LLAMA
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b/c hes an NFL guy at heart?
no, I think it's probably more a case of him not wanting to change recruiting to a systems based approach. Much harder to tweek if you don't have the players, or lose the coordinator behind the scheme.
But I'm also pretty sure the traditionalist in him doesn't want to build an offense based on goofy huddles, eligible tackles jumping up and down like they're calling for the ball, short running backs squatting down behind the OG and 3 guys on the sidelines looking like they're doing the Macarena will signaling the plays in.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:32 pm to Angry LLAMA
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lets do this: which offense is harder to defend? our very own D can handle pro-style.
Who put up more points, AU or Ark?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
UF was a disaster trying to use several 1 dimensional guys to form 1 tebow
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:36 pm to ForeLSU
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b/c hes an NFL guy at heart?
quote:also, hes a defensive guy. he knows it is easier to replace a pro-style OC.
no, I think it's probably more a case of him not wanting to change recruiting to a systems based approach. Much harder to tweek if you don't have the players, or lose the coordinator behind the scheme.
But I'm also pretty sure the traditionalist in him doesn't want to build an offense based on goofy huddles, eligible tackles jumping up and down like they're calling for the ball, short running backs squatting down behind the OG and 3 guys on the sidelines looking like they're doing the Macarena will signaling the plays in.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:02 pm to Angry LLAMA
Pro-set is the most diverse offense. i feel it's the best offense. it's not as dependent on one player/freak athlete.
see oregon 2007, dixon get hurt, doesn't win another game. he doesn't get hurt, they play for n.c. however, flynn gets hurt, lsu wins with r.p. stepping in. jamarcus gets hurt, you win with flynn, davey gets hurt, you win with mauk.
in addition, the pro-set/style is better for recruiting. you sell the player on preparing him for the professional level.
with that said, it's the players that make the offense. not the system that makes the player. you have great talent, you have a great offense. (and i'm not just talking qb. i'm talking line, r.b., wr., t.e., ect.)
see oregon 2007, dixon get hurt, doesn't win another game. he doesn't get hurt, they play for n.c. however, flynn gets hurt, lsu wins with r.p. stepping in. jamarcus gets hurt, you win with flynn, davey gets hurt, you win with mauk.
in addition, the pro-set/style is better for recruiting. you sell the player on preparing him for the professional level.
with that said, it's the players that make the offense. not the system that makes the player. you have great talent, you have a great offense. (and i'm not just talking qb. i'm talking line, r.b., wr., t.e., ect.)
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:03 pm to Angry LLAMA
Like Jimbo Fisher or not, the dude could adapt to the talent around him.
At Cincy, Jimbo primarily ran a 5-WR empty backfield offense. He comes to LSU and ran a pro-style offense. However, he rightfully called running plays for Matt Mauk often, and he also did the right thing by rarely calling for running plays for Rohan Davey or JaMarcus Russell. He fit his offense around his personnel.
Whereas, Crowton has tried to fit every single pocket QB he's had into his short-side spread option running crap.
With that said, I wouldn't cry if we got Frank Cignetti as OC.
--He was OC with the Saints in 2000 when they went 10-6 with 22.1 ppg as a Top Ten offense and the Saints won their 1st ever playoff game
--In 2001 with the Saints, Aaron Brooks had his best statistical year of 3,832 with 26 TD's, and Ricky Williams had a 1200 yd season. (Saints went 7-9 as the offense scored 20.8 ppg, while the defense gave up 25ppg)
--He then goes to Fresno St and averages 27.0 ppg, 23. ppg, 40.2 ppg (with the last 4 games avg 52.8 ppg), and 37.8 points per game while averaging at least 2,000 rushing yards each season.
--He goes to Cal, and averages 33 points per game with a balanced offense of 2300 yd passing and 2200 yds rushing.
--He goes to Pitt and averages 32.1 ppg. lasy year, and this year 26.6 ppg while breaking in a Greg McElroy-ish soph QB who still completed 65 percent of his passes for almost 2,500 yards with 15 TD/8INTs
Cignetti runs a pro-style establish-the-run-first offense, and could do wonders with the talent we have at RB, WR, and at QB now with Mettenberger. We could dominate, especially if our monster defense continues getting us the ball back, but that could practically be said of any OC not named Gary Crowton.
At Cincy, Jimbo primarily ran a 5-WR empty backfield offense. He comes to LSU and ran a pro-style offense. However, he rightfully called running plays for Matt Mauk often, and he also did the right thing by rarely calling for running plays for Rohan Davey or JaMarcus Russell. He fit his offense around his personnel.
Whereas, Crowton has tried to fit every single pocket QB he's had into his short-side spread option running crap.
With that said, I wouldn't cry if we got Frank Cignetti as OC.
--He was OC with the Saints in 2000 when they went 10-6 with 22.1 ppg as a Top Ten offense and the Saints won their 1st ever playoff game
--In 2001 with the Saints, Aaron Brooks had his best statistical year of 3,832 with 26 TD's, and Ricky Williams had a 1200 yd season. (Saints went 7-9 as the offense scored 20.8 ppg, while the defense gave up 25ppg)
--He then goes to Fresno St and averages 27.0 ppg, 23. ppg, 40.2 ppg (with the last 4 games avg 52.8 ppg), and 37.8 points per game while averaging at least 2,000 rushing yards each season.
--He goes to Cal, and averages 33 points per game with a balanced offense of 2300 yd passing and 2200 yds rushing.
--He goes to Pitt and averages 32.1 ppg. lasy year, and this year 26.6 ppg while breaking in a Greg McElroy-ish soph QB who still completed 65 percent of his passes for almost 2,500 yards with 15 TD/8INTs
Cignetti runs a pro-style establish-the-run-first offense, and could do wonders with the talent we have at RB, WR, and at QB now with Mettenberger. We could dominate, especially if our monster defense continues getting us the ball back, but that could practically be said of any OC not named Gary Crowton.
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