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Natural gas hovering around the $2 mark, down from $10 during the summer

Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:21 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:21 am
Probably one of the most infuriating commodities I’ve ever watched, so I realize this next question is asinine, but where does it go next?

NG equities haven’t been destroyed quite like the commodity, but it can’t stay at $2 for long or else they’ll be next.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95140 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:30 am to
Still waiting for my utility bills to reflect any of this.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10397 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:37 am to
Agreed. How is my gas bill double even though the price is at lows? Someone needs to explain that to me
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5937 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:46 am to
There is excess supply right now that needs to be worked off from what I have read.

These stocks are beat down and this is a good entry point IMO for a long term trade.

I have been buying SWN Jan 2025 5.00 calls for around $1.40. I will turn this trade into a diagonal spread eventually.
This post was edited on 4/3/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19784 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:58 am to
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Still waiting for my utility bills to reflect any of this.

The AG here in Little Rock actually launched an investigation. They had thousands of complaints.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:27 am to
NG hovered between $2 to $3 for probably the last 10 years until the recent pop that lasted maybe a month...we're back to the normal.
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
3409 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:40 am to
Wouldn’t the lower prices in the Oklahoma/Texas/Louisiana triangle result in increased competitiveness from a manufacturing standpoint?

Most of it uses natural gas for energy.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23842 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 10:17 am to
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NG hovered between $2 to $3 for probably the last 10 years until the recent pop that lasted maybe a month...we're back to the normal.


I was going to say, what’s he upset about? Tons of municipalities bought into NG ran buses because of the cheap price. I’m sure they were hammered when it increased. But why would we want expensive Ng unless we worked for. NG company?
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
4093 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 11:16 am to
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Wouldn’t the lower prices in the Oklahoma/Texas/Louisiana triangle result in increased competitiveness from a manufacturing standpoint?



Most new manufacturing is now in the south for various reasons. One of them being cheaper power supply. I heard an executive say a few years ago that most major pipelines now run north to south to support manufacturing now.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91497 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 11:35 am to
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But why would we want expensive Ng unless we worked for. NG company?


This is the money talk. I’m interested in it from an investment standpoint.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39184 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 2:03 pm to
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Natural gas hovering around the $2 mark, down from $10 during the summer
Probably one of the most infuriating commodities I’ve ever watched, so I realize this next question is asinine, but where does it go next?

NG equities haven’t been destroyed quite like the commodity, but it can’t stay at $2 for long or else they’ll be next.
The Freeport thing certainly helped it along on top of an historically warm winter.

Curve is steeply contangoed - $4 and higher in the out years.

Agree that we are much closer to historical here than we have been the past 2 years.

Get used to it - gas is much more maddening than crude to "predict".
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 6:01 pm to
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This is the money talk. I’m interested in it from an investment standpoint.


A couple of months ago I sold a basket of strangles on UNG… 8.50p/10c. I got assigned on the puts, but then sold 8.50 calls against the long shares the next week and away the shares went. Made decent money on the options and was happy enough. But looking at it now, if I was sitting on 1000 shares of UNG at 6.71 right now (off an 8.50 assignment), I’d be fairly
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
87117 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:11 pm to
Work for a pipeline company. Internal proj are flat to down for this year
Posted by Kipsgto
Member since Sep 2022
53 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:20 pm to
The power company I am affiliated with sold all of their hedges in the outer years. It offset most of the rate increases we were going to have pass through to the customers. But now we are trying to buy those hedges back and it’s still expensive. We basically kicked the can down the road.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23842 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:48 am to
quote:

This is the money talk. I’m interested in it from an investment standpoint.


I get that, and I’m somewhat ignorant here but didn’t NG only increase because of international supply issues? Russia/ Ukraine and maybe something else I’m forgetting? As in it was likely a temporary increase the entire time?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85711 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 8:26 am to
excess supply plus warm winters in the US and Europe

we are all just waiting on the LNG projects to come online, but I feel like we have been saying that for 10 years

it has to happen eventually, right?

right?
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