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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:49 pm
Our neighborhood is getting one of these. What’s the deal with these? Legit? Fad?
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:15 am to Aubie Spr96
TL/DR: I hate it, it's a gimmick. Don't waste your money. Not legitimate, unfortunately not a fad.
This is not directed back at you Aubie, just my thoughts on the matter. I'm keyed up after a shift at the hospital and this topic bugs me, it's bugged me for years, and now after 12 hours of listening to a guy try to cough up a loogie that he could only get up about 93.4% of the way. It was all "Hawk" and no "Tuah"....for 12 fricking hours. I can't sleep, I must vent.
I know a few nurses who have started these businesses, and I've worked with others that have just been employed at them to start the IV and monitor the infusions. It's intriguing, I'll admit, so whenever the opportunity presents itself I'll ask them questions. I'm also incredibly cynical and skeptical but I love hearing the sales pitch because it's so lightweight and stupid, it's just a fun time winding them up to hear them explain how awesome it is to get fluids administered ....."directly into your veins!!!" Oh my god, Karen, really? In the vein? That's some serious shite, like heroin, like Iggy Pop did back in the 60s with Lou Reed. Yeah! Welcome to the big leagues, fricker, throw that goddamn bottle of gatorade in the garbage and get ready to get your arse blown apart with Brawndo, the thirst mutilator!
Maybe I'm just bitter and jealous because I work in the hospital, making decent, not great money(not as great as they claim to be making starting IV's in healthy people who actually have good veins and who aren't trying to bite you while you try to put a needle in their arm, at least, I assume that's who they are dealing with, apparently these businesses are popular with high functioning drug addicts so who knows), and getting my balls busted by patient's that are mostly fricking losers who won't lift a finger to take care of themselves, so they get admitted and re-admitted to the ICU every other month so we can "fix them" ......temporarily. The infusion nurses all claim to be making bank doing these incredibly easy, low stakes jobs, where no one ever fills a hospital bed full of diarrhea. It's a nurses dream, right?
But they also sound like people who bought crypto right before it plunged, so now they spend all their waking hours constantly trying to convince everyone else to buy crypto so they can recoup their losses and finally cash out. I just get this sense that they're full of shite about how awesome it is. The big reason it bugs me is not these ridiculous boasts, that's nothing special, it's the fact that it's a fricking gimmick, there's no evidence these infusions are capable of doing what the businesses claim they will do, they operate on the assumption that because it's an IV (which is what really sick people in the hospital get), it's automatically better, its the best!!!
It's set up to appeal to exactly the type of people who patronize these businesses. They're incredibly type A, got more money than sense, easily duped by slick sales pitches that appeal to the kind of person that sees themselves as exceptional in their personal makeup and abilities and pursuits and accomplishments, so it only makes sense that they would need to resort to exceptional methods to deal with their hangovers, their colds, their triathlon recovery, etc.
It's overpriced, dishonest, and if you're healthy enough to drive yourself (or worse, have them come to your house and do this to you in your living room...in front of your undoubtedly genius baby who will one day win a gold medal in the Olympics while on sabbatical from earning their Econ degree from Trinity college) to a suite in a strip mall, sandwiched between a place that sells candy bouquets and a nail salon, then you don't need a "custom blended recovery cocktail". If you actually NEED an IV to fix your arse after(or before) some athletic event or wild weekend in Vegas, then you're too fricked up for these boutique infusion services to help you. Go to the nearest emergency department....where you'll very likely be treated by a doctor, nurse, or paramedic who actually uses these IV therapy services and swears by them. But they are wrong, it's bullshite, spend your money on Topo Chico, a ripe watermelon, and a thick steak. Lay in bed, eat the steak, drink the Topo Chico, watch Breaking Bad. There, I just saved you $200.
I ask these nurses I know, "What kinda person pays for this shite?" and it's always the same answer, endurance junkies who also like to party too fricking hard, who also have money to burn, and therefore think that they absolutely need to sit in a massage chair and get a liter of normal saline infused with multivitamins and minerals injected straight into their veins. It's a goddamn gimmick. I'll go to my nursing grave believing that. I may be wrong, but frick all that bullshite. The main reason we give people "banana bags" in the ICU is because those people are so fricked up they are unconscious and it's not safe for them to eat and drink, they are actively dying from malnutrition and dehydration and their organs are shutting down. So we have to give them hydration and electrolytes IV. It's the only hope we have.
If you can eat and drink the traditional way, do it, get off your feet, hydrate with water, eat whole foods, have a treat too, but mostly.... stop doing coke, stop smoking, stop drinking like you're 20 years old, stop digging a hole for your body that you think you'll need to IV infuse your way out of, it's bullshite. I'm embarrassed for having written all of this instead of going to bed.
This is not directed back at you Aubie, just my thoughts on the matter. I'm keyed up after a shift at the hospital and this topic bugs me, it's bugged me for years, and now after 12 hours of listening to a guy try to cough up a loogie that he could only get up about 93.4% of the way. It was all "Hawk" and no "Tuah"....for 12 fricking hours. I can't sleep, I must vent.
I know a few nurses who have started these businesses, and I've worked with others that have just been employed at them to start the IV and monitor the infusions. It's intriguing, I'll admit, so whenever the opportunity presents itself I'll ask them questions. I'm also incredibly cynical and skeptical but I love hearing the sales pitch because it's so lightweight and stupid, it's just a fun time winding them up to hear them explain how awesome it is to get fluids administered ....."directly into your veins!!!" Oh my god, Karen, really? In the vein? That's some serious shite, like heroin, like Iggy Pop did back in the 60s with Lou Reed. Yeah! Welcome to the big leagues, fricker, throw that goddamn bottle of gatorade in the garbage and get ready to get your arse blown apart with Brawndo, the thirst mutilator!
Maybe I'm just bitter and jealous because I work in the hospital, making decent, not great money(not as great as they claim to be making starting IV's in healthy people who actually have good veins and who aren't trying to bite you while you try to put a needle in their arm, at least, I assume that's who they are dealing with, apparently these businesses are popular with high functioning drug addicts so who knows), and getting my balls busted by patient's that are mostly fricking losers who won't lift a finger to take care of themselves, so they get admitted and re-admitted to the ICU every other month so we can "fix them" ......temporarily. The infusion nurses all claim to be making bank doing these incredibly easy, low stakes jobs, where no one ever fills a hospital bed full of diarrhea. It's a nurses dream, right?
But they also sound like people who bought crypto right before it plunged, so now they spend all their waking hours constantly trying to convince everyone else to buy crypto so they can recoup their losses and finally cash out. I just get this sense that they're full of shite about how awesome it is. The big reason it bugs me is not these ridiculous boasts, that's nothing special, it's the fact that it's a fricking gimmick, there's no evidence these infusions are capable of doing what the businesses claim they will do, they operate on the assumption that because it's an IV (which is what really sick people in the hospital get), it's automatically better, its the best!!!
It's set up to appeal to exactly the type of people who patronize these businesses. They're incredibly type A, got more money than sense, easily duped by slick sales pitches that appeal to the kind of person that sees themselves as exceptional in their personal makeup and abilities and pursuits and accomplishments, so it only makes sense that they would need to resort to exceptional methods to deal with their hangovers, their colds, their triathlon recovery, etc.
It's overpriced, dishonest, and if you're healthy enough to drive yourself (or worse, have them come to your house and do this to you in your living room...in front of your undoubtedly genius baby who will one day win a gold medal in the Olympics while on sabbatical from earning their Econ degree from Trinity college) to a suite in a strip mall, sandwiched between a place that sells candy bouquets and a nail salon, then you don't need a "custom blended recovery cocktail". If you actually NEED an IV to fix your arse after(or before) some athletic event or wild weekend in Vegas, then you're too fricked up for these boutique infusion services to help you. Go to the nearest emergency department....where you'll very likely be treated by a doctor, nurse, or paramedic who actually uses these IV therapy services and swears by them. But they are wrong, it's bullshite, spend your money on Topo Chico, a ripe watermelon, and a thick steak. Lay in bed, eat the steak, drink the Topo Chico, watch Breaking Bad. There, I just saved you $200.
I ask these nurses I know, "What kinda person pays for this shite?" and it's always the same answer, endurance junkies who also like to party too fricking hard, who also have money to burn, and therefore think that they absolutely need to sit in a massage chair and get a liter of normal saline infused with multivitamins and minerals injected straight into their veins. It's a goddamn gimmick. I'll go to my nursing grave believing that. I may be wrong, but frick all that bullshite. The main reason we give people "banana bags" in the ICU is because those people are so fricked up they are unconscious and it's not safe for them to eat and drink, they are actively dying from malnutrition and dehydration and their organs are shutting down. So we have to give them hydration and electrolytes IV. It's the only hope we have.
If you can eat and drink the traditional way, do it, get off your feet, hydrate with water, eat whole foods, have a treat too, but mostly.... stop doing coke, stop smoking, stop drinking like you're 20 years old, stop digging a hole for your body that you think you'll need to IV infuse your way out of, it's bullshite. I'm embarrassed for having written all of this instead of going to bed.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:18 am to DrDenim
Excellent novel, Dr. Denim
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:26 am to Rendlo
Where's the "taking a bow" emoji?
Also, I'm a huge fricking hypocrite. I have an entire cabinet, 3 shelves worth full, of supplements.
Also, I'm a huge fricking hypocrite. I have an entire cabinet, 3 shelves worth full, of supplements.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:54 am to Aubie Spr96
You can either do an iv infusion or drink some water with electrolytes and add a vitamin if you want and save $100-200. Unless you can’t keep fluids down of course. Pure placebo effect (which is real). I drink water with some salt, potassium and magnesium not infrequently if I’m feeling dehydrated
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:54 am to DrDenim
So, that's a NO from Dr D.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:08 pm to DrDenim
I truly appreciate this rant. 
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:44 pm to Aubie Spr96
The new Gatorade/Body Armour rapid hydration and some watermelon and you’ll be just as good!
Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:05 am to DrDenim
DrDenim. You sho is angry.
Your post no doubt enlightened many, but I offer a counterpoint.
I also work in acute care hospitals, and I understand your experiences.
My wife, healthy as a horse and very fit, recently came down with a GI bug that had her losing fluids in massive quantities "out of both ends" (I'll spare you the details) for a few days. On day 3, she was looking and feeling like death and was ready to go to the ER of a local hospital.
I called a local RN who owns one of these mobile infusion services and she came over, gave fluids and Toradol, and my wife was as good as new in a few hours, and only cost me $280 cash.
She had this same bug about 8 years ago. Back then, we went to the ER of a major hospital, spent 10 hours there, got every test done under the sun, came back with the same catch-all diagnosis of viral gastritis/we don't exactly know what you've got, see you later, follow up with your PCP.
Hospital bill $5,500 dollars.......for what really helped her the most was fluids and a steroid hit.
One of the many benefits of being a healthy family that eats right and exercises regularly, is that we (middle age) and all of our healthy grown children, take zero prescription medication and are healthy. We never meet our high insurance deductible ($6,600 per year), so that ER visit was totally out of pocket for us.
You do the math.
Your post no doubt enlightened many, but I offer a counterpoint.
I also work in acute care hospitals, and I understand your experiences.
My wife, healthy as a horse and very fit, recently came down with a GI bug that had her losing fluids in massive quantities "out of both ends" (I'll spare you the details) for a few days. On day 3, she was looking and feeling like death and was ready to go to the ER of a local hospital.
I called a local RN who owns one of these mobile infusion services and she came over, gave fluids and Toradol, and my wife was as good as new in a few hours, and only cost me $280 cash.
She had this same bug about 8 years ago. Back then, we went to the ER of a major hospital, spent 10 hours there, got every test done under the sun, came back with the same catch-all diagnosis of viral gastritis/we don't exactly know what you've got, see you later, follow up with your PCP.
Hospital bill $5,500 dollars.......for what really helped her the most was fluids and a steroid hit.
One of the many benefits of being a healthy family that eats right and exercises regularly, is that we (middle age) and all of our healthy grown children, take zero prescription medication and are healthy. We never meet our high insurance deductible ($6,600 per year), so that ER visit was totally out of pocket for us.
You do the math.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:34 am to G Vice
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:46 am to DrDenim
It’s amazing the crap people fall for.I have a family member that went to this spa and got a Ionic Detox Foot bath.She was telling me all about it,how the water turned brown as it pulled the toxins out of her body through the soles of her feet. She felt wonderful afterwards.
I told her it was a scam,I looked it up on internet and read to her what it was about.There is an iron electrode in a saline bath with light current running through it,the brown in the water was from accelerated rusting of the electrode.
This woman has a Masters degree but is gullible as hell.
Acupuncture is the same,nothing but nonsense but people do get benefit from it but it’s only because of placebo effect.
She felt wonderful afterwards. I told her it was a scam,I looked it up on internet and read to her what it was about.There is an iron electrode in a saline bath with light current running through it,the brown in the water was from accelerated rusting of the electrode.
This woman has a Masters degree but is gullible as hell.
Acupuncture is the same,nothing but nonsense but people do get benefit from it but it’s only because of placebo effect.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 6:12 pm to G Vice
Your wife's situation is not really applicable though....she sounded sick enough to likely be admitted to a hospital, so in her case, the risk/reward calculation, especially at that price, totally makes sense.
This highlights the utter shittiness of our healthcare system (which I fully agree with you, it's arse, the wrong kind of arse).
All people in America should be able to pay for services they need, that are proven save and effective, simple and small scale should be quick and cheap and easy, but our system doesn't work that way. You can get a bill for thousands and literally have nothing actually done to you in an American hospital.
But the clientele that seem to indulge the IV therapy biz are not legitimately in need of that level of care(IV infusions), they're just getting fleeced. And stories like your wife's are one of the most popular sales tactics I've heard from my fellow nurses that try to shill for this shite. I'm not saying you're doing that, but I've heard that tale before as justification for why these kinds of "businesses" exist.
This highlights the utter shittiness of our healthcare system (which I fully agree with you, it's arse, the wrong kind of arse).
All people in America should be able to pay for services they need, that are proven save and effective, simple and small scale should be quick and cheap and easy, but our system doesn't work that way. You can get a bill for thousands and literally have nothing actually done to you in an American hospital.
But the clientele that seem to indulge the IV therapy biz are not legitimately in need of that level of care(IV infusions), they're just getting fleeced. And stories like your wife's are one of the most popular sales tactics I've heard from my fellow nurses that try to shill for this shite. I'm not saying you're doing that, but I've heard that tale before as justification for why these kinds of "businesses" exist.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 7:54 pm to G Vice
I think the only scenario I’d consider one of their mobile deals was if I had a migraine I couldn’t break for days. I’ve been lucky to not experience that but know folks who have. Only because I don’t even want to think about sitting under those hospital overhead lights for six hours for your typical ER cocktail for migraines.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
So there’s literally no benefit to the service?
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:45 pm to DrDenim
Appreciate your response.
Yes, my wife was a legit patient that day, not looking for what you describe as "lifestyle" care.
Looking back, I first learned of this kind of service probably 10 yrs ago when I saw a billboard in New Orleans advertising IV infusions/hydration in your hotel room for hangover remedy. These services have certainly expanded their offerings.
We utilized this service as a stop-gap measure. First aid, if you will. Not playing doctor here, but if she would have been a non-responder to in-home IV fluids and Toradol, then we would have seen a doctor the next day.
Other than what we did, I don't personally know anyone else utilizing these IV infusion services regularly, but apparently there is some sort of demand.
Yes, my wife was a legit patient that day, not looking for what you describe as "lifestyle" care.
Looking back, I first learned of this kind of service probably 10 yrs ago when I saw a billboard in New Orleans advertising IV infusions/hydration in your hotel room for hangover remedy. These services have certainly expanded their offerings.
We utilized this service as a stop-gap measure. First aid, if you will. Not playing doctor here, but if she would have been a non-responder to in-home IV fluids and Toradol, then we would have seen a doctor the next day.
Other than what we did, I don't personally know anyone else utilizing these IV infusion services regularly, but apparently there is some sort of demand.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:48 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
I think the only scenario I’d consider one of their mobile deals was if I had a migraine I couldn’t break for days. I’ve been lucky to not experience that but know folks who have. Only because I don’t even want to think about sitting under those hospital overhead lights for six hours for your typical ER cocktail for migraines.
Similar situation. Healthcare comes to you in your home for potential help.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 6/23/24 at 5:43 pm to Aubie Spr96
Unless they start adding stem cells, NAD, or glutathion to these iv bags you’re better off just getting a good electrolyte mix or eat menudo the day after a hangover
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:15 pm to Aubie Spr96
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IV Bar
I'm sure they are as beneficial as Oxygen Bars
Posted on 6/24/24 at 7:50 am to Tasseo
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