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Trump Administration Creativity: Bypassing Congress & VZL Oil Money in Qatar Bank Account
Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:52 pm
President Trump had a plan all along to get around the Appropriations Clause of the Constitution with the Venezuela oil money. I wondered how he was going to get Congress to fund the money "we" will be giving Trump-selected oil companies to build their infrastructure to produce their oil in Venezuela.
The Appropriations Clause has consistently been interpreted by courts to mean that:
-Congress alone controls federal money
-All money received for the United States is public money
-The Executive cannot spend, hold, redirect, or condition that money without statutory authorization
I certainly am no expert, but I think this novel banking scheme is designed to shut Congress completely out of the funding process regarding paying the oil companies. Who would have standing to sue the Trump Administration? Does parking the money in Qatar make legal action to block the disbursements more difficult?
I could be completely wrong, and would appreciate anybody who knows more weighing in. The explanation of why "we" would need to park "our" money in Qatar makes no sense.
Surely, this is the most creative Administration in American history. If this is even half as well-planned as the arrest of the Maduros, Trump's plan should work.
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Here's the first part of the plan. Designate the funds as still being the property of the Government of Venezuela...despite the Executive Branch of the US deciding how Venezuela spends "its" money:
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Here's the deposit in Qatar part of the plan:
"Revenue from the initial oil sales - valued around $500 million - is being held in bank accounts controlled by the U.S. government, according to an administration official, citing an order issued on Friday.
The main account is located in Qatar, according to an industry source familiar with the plan, who said the country represented a neutral venue where funds can move with U.S. approval and without risk of seizure. Semafor first reported that the sales had been completed.
Reuters: First Venezuela Oil Sale
The Appropriations Clause has consistently been interpreted by courts to mean that:
-Congress alone controls federal money
-All money received for the United States is public money
-The Executive cannot spend, hold, redirect, or condition that money without statutory authorization
I certainly am no expert, but I think this novel banking scheme is designed to shut Congress completely out of the funding process regarding paying the oil companies. Who would have standing to sue the Trump Administration? Does parking the money in Qatar make legal action to block the disbursements more difficult?
I could be completely wrong, and would appreciate anybody who knows more weighing in. The explanation of why "we" would need to park "our" money in Qatar makes no sense.
Surely, this is the most creative Administration in American history. If this is even half as well-planned as the arrest of the Maduros, Trump's plan should work.
######
Here's the first part of the plan. Designate the funds as still being the property of the Government of Venezuela...despite the Executive Branch of the US deciding how Venezuela spends "its" money:
######
Here's the deposit in Qatar part of the plan:
"Revenue from the initial oil sales - valued around $500 million - is being held in bank accounts controlled by the U.S. government, according to an administration official, citing an order issued on Friday.
The main account is located in Qatar, according to an industry source familiar with the plan, who said the country represented a neutral venue where funds can move with U.S. approval and without risk of seizure. Semafor first reported that the sales had been completed.
Reuters: First Venezuela Oil Sale
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 3:33 pm
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Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:57 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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without risk of seizure
How is this guaranteed??
Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:59 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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I certainly am no expert, but I think this novel banking scheme is designed to shut Congress completely out of the funding process regarding paying the oil companies.
So how is this Constitutional?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:59 pm to ChineseBandit58
The money is USMC insured.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 1:59 pm to ChineseBandit58
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How is this guaranteed??
Who knows. Maybe the Administration has explained this rather than just had an "industry expert" leak it.
Still looking.....
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:00 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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designed to shut Congress completely out of the funding process
At this rate, Congress should just be extinct. They’re good for nothing.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:01 pm to Decatur
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So how is this Constitutional?
I'm not sure, but I think the scheme is designed to shield the whole transaction from court review.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:01 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:02 pm to idlewatcher
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Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:02 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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wondered how he was going to get Congress to fund the money "we" will be giving Trump-selected oil companies
Who should select them?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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but I think the scheme is designed to shield the whole transaction from court review.
Well I know which way that points.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:04 pm to IvoryBillMatt
frick Qatar. They directly fund Islamic insurgent groups that want to spread their cancer of a religion to the west. We shouldn’t be doing business with them in the first place.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:07 pm to PsychTiger
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The money is USMC insured.
Definitely the money was RECEIVED courtesy of the President's military. The question is who will determine how it is paid.
When the President announced the deal, he referred to a fund that would be controlled solely by him to be used at his discretion to help the people of Venezuela and the people of the United States.
I thought...hmmmmm....that sounds unconstitutional. The announcement of the use of a Qatar bank made me realize something creative was being used.
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:10 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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I thought...hmmmmm....that sounds unconstitutional.
None of us here can truly know until a constitutional expert weighs in. Where is SFP?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:13 pm to BBONDS25
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Who should select them?
That's a good question. Probably Trump, but should these contracts be subject to federal contract bid laws?
Ultimately, Congress would have had to approved of the particular oil companies selected when voting on an appropriations bill to pay those oil companies...but I think the Administration is on its way to sidestepping Congress completely.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:13 pm to Decatur
I would think since America never received or had direct access to would clear that hurdle. Acting more as conservator on an estate
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:14 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I’m sure everyone would be fine if Obama or Biden did this. No big deal
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:14 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Doesn't sound shady at all. 
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:16 pm to PsychTiger
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Where is SFP?
In Minnesota furiously googling internal bleeding.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:19 pm to Decatur
Thanks for the link Decatur. That is certainly the place to start.
When I read that a "Qatar bank" has to be used for [bullshite excuse] some reason, my spidey sense got activated.
When I read that a "Qatar bank" has to be used for [bullshite excuse] some reason, my spidey sense got activated.
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