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Lee should start over Jefferson
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:55 am
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:55 am
It has become apparent that Jordan Jefferson does not possess the decision making ability and accuracy to be a QB to lead LSU to more than an 8 or 9 win season. Without a doubt, Jarrett Lee possesses a much more accurate arm.
Why not run an I formation offense and give Jarrett Lee the chance to hand off to a bevy of top flight RB's out of the I formation and throw to the best WR corps in the country? Is this not what Alabama does? Are you going to tell me that Alabama has better offensive personnel than LSU? That is ridiculous. Are you going to tell me that McElroy is a physically better QB than Lee? That is also ridiculous.
Miles and Crowton still have a choice. This LSU defense has a chance to be special because of its athleticism and speed. This is the fastest LSU defense I have ever seen. I know Vandy is not a great oppenent, but the talent on both sides of the ball for LSU is apparent. The quality lacking is solid QB play.
It is time LSU play to its strength. We are not a WAC spread offense. We have a big, strong offenive line, big strong receivers, but lack QB play and play calling to take advantage of our personnel.
Despite his previous struggles, I think Jarrett Lee can have great success with this team. Jefferson has proven himself to be an athlete with no accuracy and no ability to make quick decisions. He will never change. As much as it may upset many Tiger fans, Lee is our only chance at a championship this season. Lee still possesses a stronger and more accurate arm than Jefferson.
Why not run an I formation offense and give Jarrett Lee the chance to hand off to a bevy of top flight RB's out of the I formation and throw to the best WR corps in the country? Is this not what Alabama does? Are you going to tell me that Alabama has better offensive personnel than LSU? That is ridiculous. Are you going to tell me that McElroy is a physically better QB than Lee? That is also ridiculous.
Miles and Crowton still have a choice. This LSU defense has a chance to be special because of its athleticism and speed. This is the fastest LSU defense I have ever seen. I know Vandy is not a great oppenent, but the talent on both sides of the ball for LSU is apparent. The quality lacking is solid QB play.
It is time LSU play to its strength. We are not a WAC spread offense. We have a big, strong offenive line, big strong receivers, but lack QB play and play calling to take advantage of our personnel.
Despite his previous struggles, I think Jarrett Lee can have great success with this team. Jefferson has proven himself to be an athlete with no accuracy and no ability to make quick decisions. He will never change. As much as it may upset many Tiger fans, Lee is our only chance at a championship this season. Lee still possesses a stronger and more accurate arm than Jefferson.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 2:59 am
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Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:59 am to Leonides
I would like to add that if we run the option ever again RS needs to be the one at QB for it. JJ and the option simply don't mix. Lee has toughed it out and deserves another chance. His decision making surely must have improved in 2 years. You know he's itching for a shot at the starting job and Miles basically said Lee would get another look.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:01 am to Leonides
Lee is more of a spread QB than JJ is. I'm a fan of the pro-style either way
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:11 am to Leonides
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Without a doubt, Jarrett Lee possesses a much more accurate arm.
Can you pull up the stats from 2008 and 2009 to show how without a doubt that is?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:13 am to Leonides
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Lee should start over Jefferson
Not to bang on Lee, but he completd one pass and handed the ball off like 6 times.
For that he starts with JJ being 2-0, 1-0?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:27 am to Lonnie4LSU
i'd rather make the change before it costs us the game. IDK if he should start or not, but he has earned a right to play from the work he has put in and JJ's ineffectiveness.
Just because you achieved a result, doesn't mean there wasn't a major issue on the way.
Just because you achieved a result, doesn't mean there wasn't a major issue on the way.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:29 am to The Easter Bunny
quote:Can you pull up a stat on JJs completions that were 7 yards or less? He can't stretch the D...that we know. Would you rather someone that stretchs the D, which will improve the run game, or would you rather good completion rate on short passes? Short passes are great, until the D loads the box and the corners sit on your short routes.
Can you pull up the stats from 2008 and 2009 to show how without a doubt that is?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:37 am to PPeterson1
Yeah, he must have been sneezing when he threw the bomb to Randle last week. Nobody has or is saying that Jefferson had a great game, but all one has do is watch the first half of the Georgia Tech game to see that he has the ability, even if didn't show tonight.The talent is there as it is with Lee; but the mind has gotten in the way with the both of them. I have no argument against giving Lee some playing time because I think he shown heart and the want to compete(just to piss you fricks off). But it was one fricking pass albeit a nicely thrown one.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:43 am to BigAppleTiger
Dude, I'm all for JJ if hes the starter. I definitely will cheer him on. I just think Lee needs another shot, because minus that long throw to Randle, JJ hasn't looked good at all this season. Football should be a what have you done for me lately business, and IMO JJ hasn't done much since that Georgia Tech game.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:47 am to PPeterson1
Can't argue with JJ's performance being sub-par tonight and I think Lee should get a series or two to shake JJ up.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:55 am to PPeterson1
People might be putting a little too much stock into one real bad game. If he's like this again next week, then it's a much bigger issue. Who knows, maybe they'll start Lee if JJ doesn't show some fire at practice this week.
But we were leading Bama at Bama last year and JJ was playing a damn good game until he got hurt on the first drive of the 2nd half. So he's capable of good things against great teams as well.
But this is a what have you done for me lately position and he needs to step it up. NC was workable, but tonight wasn't (or it won't be against better teams). My biggest concern tonight wasn't really his inaccurate throws - it was the amount of time it was taking him to throw the ball. He was taken forever. Even slower than usual. That's a BIG issue for when these SEC defenses turn up the heat. It reminded me of that Florida game he had last year.
He's usually accurate on most of his passes. They're not perfect, but he usually puts them in very catchable places. So I worry about the other stuff more.
But we were leading Bama at Bama last year and JJ was playing a damn good game until he got hurt on the first drive of the 2nd half. So he's capable of good things against great teams as well.
But this is a what have you done for me lately position and he needs to step it up. NC was workable, but tonight wasn't (or it won't be against better teams). My biggest concern tonight wasn't really his inaccurate throws - it was the amount of time it was taking him to throw the ball. He was taken forever. Even slower than usual. That's a BIG issue for when these SEC defenses turn up the heat. It reminded me of that Florida game he had last year.
He's usually accurate on most of his passes. They're not perfect, but he usually puts them in very catchable places. So I worry about the other stuff more.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:57 am to Big EZ Tiger
Hey-I'd be happy to see them just let Lee play some during the game...
Posted on 9/12/10 at 4:03 am to PPeterson1
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Can you pull up a stat on JJs completions that were 7 yards or less? He can't stretch the D.
boom
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Short passes are great, until the D loads the box and the corners sit on your short routes.
goes the dynamite
Posted on 9/12/10 at 4:33 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Jefferson is not a pure passer like Lee. I don't care about Lee's interceptions when he was a freshman. I guarantee you, that IF protected, Lee is a MUCH better passer than Jefferson. THAT is all the offense needs. Cut out the spread bullshite and start running an I formation offense and play action. That is what our personnel is suited for.
Everybody makes a big deal about Lee's interceptions in 2008, but how bad was the defense that year? The 2010 LSU defense has a serious chance to be something special. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that this year's LSU defense has more speed and athleticism than any LSU defense I have ever seen. And it is not just the 1st team. Consider the guys on the 2nd team. How many of LSU's 2nd team defensive players could start at any other major college?
I am just saying. Despite LSU's youth on defense, they are loaded. If this team finds consistent play at QB, then this team could be special.
Everybody makes a big deal about Lee's interceptions in 2008, but how bad was the defense that year? The 2010 LSU defense has a serious chance to be something special. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that this year's LSU defense has more speed and athleticism than any LSU defense I have ever seen. And it is not just the 1st team. Consider the guys on the 2nd team. How many of LSU's 2nd team defensive players could start at any other major college?
I am just saying. Despite LSU's youth on defense, they are loaded. If this team finds consistent play at QB, then this team could be special.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 4:42 am to Leonides
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I guarantee you, that IF protected, Lee is a MUCH better passer than Jefferson.
I've yet to see this, but if he gets a chance against State or whoever, he has to show big improvements. He was protected against La Tech, but the performance was worse than what we had before. Now, I can't imagine him ever doing that bad again, but he has to let people see a different QB. Because he has just not been an accurate QB in many of his games.
If he can show a spark, he'll get another opportunity.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 4:45 am to Leonides
I agree with what this guy said:
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Lee might not be the answer...probably isn't because I think our QB's will never be more than average at best, but its time to give him a shot. I don't think he can be any worse than what we saw last night, so what's the harm in giving him some PT. At least Lee's pass almost hit the receiver in stride. I wanna see what he can do, and even if he isnt any better, maybe getting sat down will light some kind spark under JJ
Posted on 9/12/10 at 5:01 am to Leonides
Amen Brother. First commen sense post of the year regarding the QB position. I don't know if Lee is the answere, but JJ is the question-"What the Fxxk?".
We will never win a championship with JJ running the team. Good athlete but piss [poor decision maker and only average passer. Time for a change.
We will never win a championship with JJ running the team. Good athlete but piss [poor decision maker and only average passer. Time for a change.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 5:31 am to Leonides
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It has become apparent that Jordan Jefferson does not possess the decision making ability and accuracy to be a QB to lead LSU to more than an 8 or 9 win season
And it's apparent that Lee does?
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Are you going to tell me that McElroy is a physically better QB than Lee?
Physically? No, but he is without question a better decision maker.
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The quality lacking is solid QB play.
Correct
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We have a big, strong offenive line, big strong receivers, but lack QB play and play calling to take advantage of our personnel
Correct
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I think Jarrett Lee can have great success with this team. Lee is our only chance at a championship this season
What has he EVER done for you to think this?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 5:35 am to DanglingFury
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I agree with what this guy said:
Lee is our only chance at a championship this season
Why are we forgetting that LEE was WORSE the last time he started a game?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 5:37 am to The Easter Bunny
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Can you pull up the stats from 2008 and 2009 to show how without a doubt that is?
That's probably why he isn't starting. The coaches is sending a message to him that he can't be trusted. The coaches are living on the past. No way he ever learned by his past mistakes. No way he has improved. That doesn't say much for the developement of JL by the coaches. Not saying he won't do well enough to run the O more efficiently than JJ but we will never know if the coaches don't try him.
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