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Tell the truth on Sunday
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:09 pm
Whether you want to hear it or not, here it is. Orgeron is a good, not great coach. Not as good as Miles, in his prime. It was time for Miles to go. Orgeron is doing a better job than Miles would be doing.
Saban is a great coach. Not perfect (Pick 6 game at Auburn, other examples). But when you recruit the #1 class for like 10 years in a row, that tends to increase your margin for error. A great coach is usually an expert/guru on one side of the ball, and has the wisdom to hire experts on the other side. Saban has no loyalties. He hired a total dick, Lane Kiffin, whom he probably couldn't stand, b/c he knew he was a great offensive coach.
Orgeron recognizes Aranda's talent and was able to hold onto him (but Orgeron didn't hire Aranda ... Miles did.) Ensminger is a nice guy, good coach, bleeds purple and gold ... but hasn't been an offensive coordinator in how many years? Orgeron needed to go out and hire a cutting edge offensive mind. He didn't. We see the results last night.
Saban would never have hired Steve Ensmihger as his offensive coordinator. He'll hire the newest hot shot coordinator or position coach, or someone he knows is an expert.
Orgeron is not stupid. He's got a ton of coaching experience and generally speaking knows how to run a program. I give him credit, for example, for having the smarts to sign Cole Tracy. On the other hand, some of his schtick ("tell the truth Monday,"Whatever Tuesday," etc. etc.) seems a little overblown. It's like he didn't think of this stuff himself, but read it in a book. You know what I mean?
I think Ed has done a good job this year and (big if) they win out and get a NYD bowl berth, that's good. Personally I thihk a program like LSU could do better, but I have no vendetta against Orgeron, or anyone else for that matter. Just stating facts.
Saban is a great coach. Not perfect (Pick 6 game at Auburn, other examples). But when you recruit the #1 class for like 10 years in a row, that tends to increase your margin for error. A great coach is usually an expert/guru on one side of the ball, and has the wisdom to hire experts on the other side. Saban has no loyalties. He hired a total dick, Lane Kiffin, whom he probably couldn't stand, b/c he knew he was a great offensive coach.
Orgeron recognizes Aranda's talent and was able to hold onto him (but Orgeron didn't hire Aranda ... Miles did.) Ensminger is a nice guy, good coach, bleeds purple and gold ... but hasn't been an offensive coordinator in how many years? Orgeron needed to go out and hire a cutting edge offensive mind. He didn't. We see the results last night.
Saban would never have hired Steve Ensmihger as his offensive coordinator. He'll hire the newest hot shot coordinator or position coach, or someone he knows is an expert.
Orgeron is not stupid. He's got a ton of coaching experience and generally speaking knows how to run a program. I give him credit, for example, for having the smarts to sign Cole Tracy. On the other hand, some of his schtick ("tell the truth Monday,"Whatever Tuesday," etc. etc.) seems a little overblown. It's like he didn't think of this stuff himself, but read it in a book. You know what I mean?
I think Ed has done a good job this year and (big if) they win out and get a NYD bowl berth, that's good. Personally I thihk a program like LSU could do better, but I have no vendetta against Orgeron, or anyone else for that matter. Just stating facts.
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:24 pm to TigerJeff
Good post, TigerJeff. Agree.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:25 pm to TigerJeff
Agree with everything but the OC. He has done a great job and will continue to do a great job. The thing I seen last night is that Bama is a lot better than us at every position except the defensive backfield and kicking game.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:29 pm to TigerJeff
What most people forget is that every so called expert said LSU would go 6-6 and finish down the ranks of the SEC West. Therefore, I would say O has done alright.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:32 pm to tiger nutz
Well, under Steve, LSU has scored 0 points in 2 games ag. that team, in Tiger Stadium. I mean, USL scored 10 points and that was at Ala. Arky put up 31 pts. Zero points is unacceptable.
Again, I don't think Orgeron or Ensminger have done bad jobs and I have no vendetta against either. But Orgeron just strikes me as someone who doesn't have original ideas but is pretty good at mimicking others' good ideas. There's a difference.
Why the hell did he hire Matt Canada? That put program development a year behind. He talks about wanting to "run the spread offense," etc., but I'm not sure he really knows what that is.
Ensminger has done a respectable job this year, I agree. But let's be real honest here .... we have a head coach and an offensive coordinator that literally no other major program would want.
Again, I don't think Orgeron or Ensminger have done bad jobs and I have no vendetta against either. But Orgeron just strikes me as someone who doesn't have original ideas but is pretty good at mimicking others' good ideas. There's a difference.
Why the hell did he hire Matt Canada? That put program development a year behind. He talks about wanting to "run the spread offense," etc., but I'm not sure he really knows what that is.
Ensminger has done a respectable job this year, I agree. But let's be real honest here .... we have a head coach and an offensive coordinator that literally no other major program would want.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:33 pm to TigerJeff
Right. Ensminger must go. If not, O must go.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:34 pm to Funinthesun
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What most people forget is that every so called expert said LSU would go 6-6 and finish down the ranks of the SEC West. Therefore, I would say O has done alright.
We are all glad that the program didn't collapse this year. However, it's not acceptable that O exceeded the experts' predictions of program collapse. With our program, we need to be at least where we were 2010-2012, challenging Bama, winning every once in a while and making it into the playoffs every few years or so and a NY6 bowl at least 2 out of 3 of the other years. O is not that coach.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:37 pm to Manswers
You do realize Miles lost 5 in a row to Bama prior to being fired.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:37 pm to Manswers
If you watched the game last night and think it’s coaching that cost us the game then you either watching with a blind eye or dumb. Bama is a lot better than us at every position on the field except the defensive backfield and kicking game. If Devin White didn’t miss the first half then I would say our LBs are pretty close to theirs but every other position is not close. Let Orgeron recruit for 3 or 4 years and then we can decide if we are getting close to their level.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:41 pm to tiger nutz
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Agree with everything but the OC. He has done a great job and will continue to do a great job.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:45 pm to TigerJeff
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On the other hand, some of his schtick ("tell the truth Monday,"Whatever Tuesday," etc. etc.) seems a little overblown. It's like he didn't think of this stuff himself, but read it in a book. You know what I mean?
Pete Carroll is the one who came up with all of the day themes. O is just copying them.
NFL version of the days
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:54 pm to TigerJeff
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. It's like he didn't think of this stuff himself, but read it in a book. You know what I mean?
He got these terms from his mentors, mostly from Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson. That is what mentors do, they pass down their formulas for success.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:54 pm to TigerJeff
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Orgeron recognizes Aranda's talent and was able to hold onto him (but Orgeron didn't hire Aranda ... Miles did.) Ensminger is a nice guy, good coach, bleeds purple and gold ... but hasn't been an offensive coordinator in how many years? Orgeron needed to go out and hire a cutting edge offensive mind. He didn't. We see the results last night.
When CEO moved Ensminger to OC this season we had just signed Aranda to a massive contract extension. Along with that came a lot of say-so in the program. One of those things was Ensminger as OC. He endorsed if not promoted the idea. That is one reason CEO did not take a lot of shite from Alleva and the BOS for this move. You can also figure in that with the Canada situation that CEO did not like him. Aranda did not either and it may have come down to a him or me ultimatum to sign that extension.
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Orgeron is not stupid. He's got a ton of coaching experience and generally speaking knows how to run a program. I give him credit, for example, for having the smarts to sign Cole Tracy. On the other hand, some of his schtick ("tell the truth Monday,"Whatever Tuesday," etc. etc.) seems a little overblown. It's like he didn't think of this stuff himself, but read it in a book. You know what I mean?
Do you mean like when he rolled that stuff out when he got the job and he said "we gonna do some things that we did under one of my former mentors, Pete Carroll."
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:59 pm to TigerJeff
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Orgeron is doing a better job than Miles would be doing.
Exactly how? Miles had big wins in his last few years. Had us ranked #2 in 2015 and Orgeron did no better than Miles would have in 2016.
He’s also recruited worse than Miles’ bad years already.
O has done literally nothing better than Miles in his latter years so far, so please stop with this shite. Miles beat shitty teams that were overrated preseason too.
O has three good wins in 2+ seasons to go with 3 bad losses. He also licked into the easiest SEC in row decades outside of Bama and UGA last year.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:59 pm to Farkwad
Right. But great coaches think up their own ideas, at some point, and don't mimick others. Orgeron was a lazy hire. Ensmihger was a lazy hire. Both are good guys, good coaches, but not cutting edge guys. They just aren't. Look if he keeps the team motivated and they take care of business ag. the Pigs and the Gaggies that'll be great.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:02 pm to Geauxgurt
Yeah I don't know about that. Under Miles the last few years the O and D line recruiting was weak, and it's showing now. I don't think Miles would've beaten Georgia and Auburn this year. I think he probably would've hired an even more unimaginative and hack offensive coordinator hire than Ensmihger (or would've kept Cameron.)
Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:05 pm to TigerJeff
Every hire Onhas made has been a massive failure save one and even that one is not at yet.
Two OC fails.
Two WR coach fails to the point he needs two WR coaches.
OL coach fail.
Think about that. Funny how those two Freshmen starting in the OL last year did pretty damn well and this year under Creggs have turned to shite.
Two OC fails.
Two WR coach fails to the point he needs two WR coaches.
OL coach fail.
Think about that. Funny how those two Freshmen starting in the OL last year did pretty damn well and this year under Creggs have turned to shite.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:07 pm to TigerJeff
Very good no vendetta post. I agree whole heartedly, we have a very good team not great due to once again not having a very good offense. Nothing against Ensminger either, he bleeds purple and gold, but for LSU to take the next 2 steps we have to have an impact OC. I love O but he appears to be Les 2.0 in his offensive approach, he says the right things, he knows whats broken its just we don't enact the plan to fully fix it. Look most of the top 50 teams have explosive offenses, we still don't at LSU. To beat the gumps you have to have a no joke offense that can score 30 + points or you lose.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:14 pm to tiger nutz
I hope you're right, it appeared that we were out manned at every position. We need a no joke impact offense, the line and qb and RB for starters
Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:15 pm to eugene1928LSU
Yep. Look at the other teams that have managed to put points on the board against Alabama this year. Even USL.
It's like we're running outdated offensive schemes. Ensminger is like a 1970s anchorman (picture Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy with the cheesy 70s moustache and turtleneck sweater.) You have to keep up with the times. Saban does that. LSU offense is too damn predictable. Where are passes to tight ends? Screen passes?
Look, Orgeron is the coach for the foreseeable future. Let's win 10 games and go to a New Years 6 bowl game, win it, and finish in the top 10. Great. But to get past Alabama he's going to have to hire a cutting edge offensive coordinator. Steve is OK but not good enough against the likes of Alabama. That is quite evident.
It's like we're running outdated offensive schemes. Ensminger is like a 1970s anchorman (picture Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy with the cheesy 70s moustache and turtleneck sweater.) You have to keep up with the times. Saban does that. LSU offense is too damn predictable. Where are passes to tight ends? Screen passes?
Look, Orgeron is the coach for the foreseeable future. Let's win 10 games and go to a New Years 6 bowl game, win it, and finish in the top 10. Great. But to get past Alabama he's going to have to hire a cutting edge offensive coordinator. Steve is OK but not good enough against the likes of Alabama. That is quite evident.
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