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Should the NBA do something about the advantages of a large market over small?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:12 pm
I understand this has been discussed before but really wondering if it’s all that bad as is at the moment.
AD wanting out of New Orleans is a good example. Made the right draft pick, then was set to get a Supermax but turned it all down for Southern California and less money. Endorsements may make that up but the Supermax doesn’t seem to be very helpful or efficient.
Bad teams get the better draft positions but it’s usually a crapshoot. Trades require you to give up assets and the player you sign for could walk away when he is a free agent or demand a trade.
But as a fan of the Pelicans and that I hate the advantages that the destination cities have, I don’t think those franchises should have to be punished for having a more desirable location.
***Disclaimer*** I’m not saying this is a good idea
This is mainly a rough example and outline. Didn’t want to ask how to fix it with attempting an answer myself, no matter how bad the answer.
The only thing that I can think of right now is getting a compensatory draft pick if you lose out on your drafted players to another team, similarly to the NFL. Like Durant leaving the Thunder. Maybe given them Golden State’s first rounder the next year but you would have to have a set baselines to be eligible. Like leaving the team you drafted after your contract is up, years with the team and amount player gets on new contract.
Raise the luxury tax penalty even more but keep Bird’s Rights, MLE’s and such in place?
I really don’t know enough to figure out what would work and would like to hear others thoughts.
Does this large market vs small market problem even hurt the NBA as is or would you make changes and if so, what changes?
AD wanting out of New Orleans is a good example. Made the right draft pick, then was set to get a Supermax but turned it all down for Southern California and less money. Endorsements may make that up but the Supermax doesn’t seem to be very helpful or efficient.
Bad teams get the better draft positions but it’s usually a crapshoot. Trades require you to give up assets and the player you sign for could walk away when he is a free agent or demand a trade.
But as a fan of the Pelicans and that I hate the advantages that the destination cities have, I don’t think those franchises should have to be punished for having a more desirable location.
***Disclaimer*** I’m not saying this is a good idea
This is mainly a rough example and outline. Didn’t want to ask how to fix it with attempting an answer myself, no matter how bad the answer.
The only thing that I can think of right now is getting a compensatory draft pick if you lose out on your drafted players to another team, similarly to the NFL. Like Durant leaving the Thunder. Maybe given them Golden State’s first rounder the next year but you would have to have a set baselines to be eligible. Like leaving the team you drafted after your contract is up, years with the team and amount player gets on new contract.
Raise the luxury tax penalty even more but keep Bird’s Rights, MLE’s and such in place?
I really don’t know enough to figure out what would work and would like to hear others thoughts.
Does this large market vs small market problem even hurt the NBA as is or would you make changes and if so, what changes?
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 10:14 pm
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:15 pm to Soup Sammich
I think there are limits to what can be done. But I think that I wouldn't underestimate the owners when the next CBA rolls around if all the players are flocking to about five or six specific large market teams, most of which are run like shite.
People can live with teams like the Warriors getting players to a degree because they are run well. The Lakers or Knicks, OTOH? Not so much.
If the current trends hold and players keep forcing themselves to the Lakers, Knicks, Clippers, Warriors, and Nets (basically three of the largest US markets), most of the other 25 teams in the league may have something to say about being glorified farm teams.
People can live with teams like the Warriors getting players to a degree because they are run well. The Lakers or Knicks, OTOH? Not so much.
If the current trends hold and players keep forcing themselves to the Lakers, Knicks, Clippers, Warriors, and Nets (basically three of the largest US markets), most of the other 25 teams in the league may have something to say about being glorified farm teams.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:19 pm to Soup Sammich
Supermax is 5 years and only if you stay with a team or traded while on a rookie deal, but only counts as "max money" to the team.
i.e. if say max is 5/180, but supermax is 5/250, it only 180 counts.
It allows the team to pay their guy the $$$, but it allows flexibility that the supermax takes away.
i.e. if say max is 5/180, but supermax is 5/250, it only 180 counts.
It allows the team to pay their guy the $$$, but it allows flexibility that the supermax takes away.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:19 pm to Soup Sammich
It's not that complicated. Make the cap a hard cap, no max contracts. Reduce/eliminate exceptions and no more bird rights.
A stop gap that would help, but probably not eliminate the problems would be to make the supermax only count as a max against the cap. Some small market team that has one star player and would have to overpay to lure FAs is practically DOA as soon as the star accepts the supermax. The players know this. I'm positive AD looked at what would happen if he signed the supermax. A team that already has difficulty getting difference makers in FA just got even less attractive financially for any FA target.
The money is so good in the NBA that giving up 10s of millions ain't that bad of a thing if it can land you on a better roster.
A stop gap that would help, but probably not eliminate the problems would be to make the supermax only count as a max against the cap. Some small market team that has one star player and would have to overpay to lure FAs is practically DOA as soon as the star accepts the supermax. The players know this. I'm positive AD looked at what would happen if he signed the supermax. A team that already has difficulty getting difference makers in FA just got even less attractive financially for any FA target.
The money is so good in the NBA that giving up 10s of millions ain't that bad of a thing if it can land you on a better roster.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:19 pm to teke184
It’s damn near that the small market teams are the farm teams for the big markets.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:19 pm to teke184
I say eliminate super max deals. Leave it wide open. Set a hard cap on teams. So if you want to sign a start for 50 50 million a year you can but your team cap is firm and can’t be adjusted. So you need to build your team accordingly.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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It's not that complicated. Make the cap a hard cap, no max contracts. Reduce/eliminate exceptions and no more bird rights. A stop gap that would help, but probably not eliminate the problems would be to make the supermax only count as a max against the cap. Some small market team that has one star player and would have to overpay to lure FAs is practically DOA as soon as the star accepts the supermax. The money is so good in the NBA that giving up 10s of millions ain't that bad of a thing if it can land you on a better roster.
But if the money is essentially the same, I would think other big names would take pay cuts to sign with a destination city over Cleveland or the Pelicans. Unless I’m not understanding your reply correctly.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:24 pm to Soup Sammich
The NBA has to do something about ESPN actively intervening to make sure the Lakers are relevant because it’s in their best interest to do so.
Their coverage of the Lakers lately has been more obnoxious and overplayed than their coverage of the Cowboys, Notre Dame, Yankees and Tiger Woods. Combined. It’s so damn transparent at this point.
Their coverage of the Lakers lately has been more obnoxious and overplayed than their coverage of the Cowboys, Notre Dame, Yankees and Tiger Woods. Combined. It’s so damn transparent at this point.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:27 pm to LSUJuicer
1. Hard cap
2. No more max contracts
3. Limit the number of years a guy can sign with a team that he wasn’t drafted by.
4. First round draft picks have a 4 year contract with a team option for a 5th year. 2nd round draft picks have a 3 year contract with a team option for a 4 year.
5. This one won’t happen because Silver is the worst commissioner in sports history, but they need to eliminate fully guaranteed contracts, for a litany of reasons.
2. No more max contracts
3. Limit the number of years a guy can sign with a team that he wasn’t drafted by.
4. First round draft picks have a 4 year contract with a team option for a 5th year. 2nd round draft picks have a 3 year contract with a team option for a 4 year.
5. This one won’t happen because Silver is the worst commissioner in sports history, but they need to eliminate fully guaranteed contracts, for a litany of reasons.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:27 pm to Soup Sammich
I think the NBA needs a stricter salary cap. That will naturally break up super teams. The NBA needs to be more like the NFL in that respect. The NFL's salary cap rules ensure constant turnover because of the value of rookie contracts verses free agent deals. If a team gets really good because they hit on a great draft, that team can't sign all of those players to long term deals at the end of their rookie deals so they have to go somewhere. That's the issue the Saints are facing.
The best teams, like the Patriots, invest big (but not max) money into a marquee player at a position of need so they can invest in upper-middle talent at a few other key positions, but build the bulk of their roster off of the draft. When prospects age out, deal them for a shite ton of picks so you can lock in even more players. If they don't all hit, that's fine, you have plenty of choices. That's basically what the Pats have done for 20 years, and what The Pels appear to be attempting down in New Orleans. They have one legit starter they're investing in (Holiday), used trades to offload big name talent for a bunch of draft picks and mid-tier players (AD for Ball, Ingram, draft picks, etc), draft well (hopefully), and this gives you a core of players that will be good for several years (hopefully). When those drafted players get to the end of their rookie deals, you pick and choose which to sign and which to ship off to flip for more picks and restart the cycle.
The NBA needs a harder cap to force more roster shenanigans and parity.
The best teams, like the Patriots, invest big (but not max) money into a marquee player at a position of need so they can invest in upper-middle talent at a few other key positions, but build the bulk of their roster off of the draft. When prospects age out, deal them for a shite ton of picks so you can lock in even more players. If they don't all hit, that's fine, you have plenty of choices. That's basically what the Pats have done for 20 years, and what The Pels appear to be attempting down in New Orleans. They have one legit starter they're investing in (Holiday), used trades to offload big name talent for a bunch of draft picks and mid-tier players (AD for Ball, Ingram, draft picks, etc), draft well (hopefully), and this gives you a core of players that will be good for several years (hopefully). When those drafted players get to the end of their rookie deals, you pick and choose which to sign and which to ship off to flip for more picks and restart the cycle.
The NBA needs a harder cap to force more roster shenanigans and parity.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:33 pm to Soup Sammich
The facts don’t support your assertions.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:35 pm to Soup Sammich
Everyone in here writing novels
Nba does something and they work damn hard to protect the large market advantages
Nba does something and they work damn hard to protect the large market advantages
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:40 pm to Winston Cup
Bulls and Knicks. Lakers couldn’t get a FA for years. Rapz have had issues getting FA.
Players don’t stay on teams regardless of market size.
Players don’t stay on teams regardless of market size.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:11 pm to Soup Sammich
Why does MLB get a pass for having an unbalanced league?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:21 pm to WaltTeevens
If you want to ensure competitive balance and parity, you have to go to a hard cap with no exceptions.
As others have said, reward the player and the team that drafted them and developed them.
If it weren’t for the Lakers, Knicks and Bulls being run by shite management, then they wouldn’t be struggling to get players. Largely they all struggled because they can’t get their shot together.
The Raptors are entirely different issue. Severely loaded tax system and technically living in a foreign country. Furthermore add in the weather and it’s harder to convince some guys to go there.
Players have way too much power in eh NBA and that is the problem. Punish tampering heavily and make the consequences have bite and teams will fall in line.
When you have a soft cap you do nothing but encourage big market teams to create and then maintain super teams. Warriors were able to keep their guys and could’ve kept KD even but a team like OKC had to give away Harden to remain in the black realistically.
As others have said, reward the player and the team that drafted them and developed them.
If it weren’t for the Lakers, Knicks and Bulls being run by shite management, then they wouldn’t be struggling to get players. Largely they all struggled because they can’t get their shot together.
The Raptors are entirely different issue. Severely loaded tax system and technically living in a foreign country. Furthermore add in the weather and it’s harder to convince some guys to go there.
Players have way too much power in eh NBA and that is the problem. Punish tampering heavily and make the consequences have bite and teams will fall in line.
When you have a soft cap you do nothing but encourage big market teams to create and then maintain super teams. Warriors were able to keep their guys and could’ve kept KD even but a team like OKC had to give away Harden to remain in the black realistically.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:21 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Silver is the worst commissioner in sports history,
bless your heart.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:30 am to Soup Sammich
Top five teams by market size: NYK BRO LAC LAL CHI
Bottom five teams by market size: MEM NOP OKC MIL SAS
Guess which group has the better overall record over the past 15 years.
Bottom five teams by market size: MEM NOP OKC MIL SAS
Guess which group has the better overall record over the past 15 years.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:48 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Silver is the worst commissioner in sports history, but they need to eliminate fully guaranteed contracts, for a litany of reasons.
It’s lime you are relentlessly determined to let everyone know what a moron you are.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 5:59 am to Soup Sammich
The Lakers have gotten LeBron in FA and hardly anyone else of consistency. The Knicks can’t land a FA to save their life.
That being said, some places with their weather, tax system, proximity to hometown of players, etc will always have an advantage. And this thread only takes into account superstars, but there are plenty of other guys in the NBA too.
That being said, some places with their weather, tax system, proximity to hometown of players, etc will always have an advantage. And this thread only takes into account superstars, but there are plenty of other guys in the NBA too.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:21 am to Soup Sammich
Just get rid of max contracts and put a hard salary cap in place. That would be fair and fix most of the NBA's problems.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 6:24 am
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