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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:06 pm to td01241
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:06 pm to td01241
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They literally just changed that geralt and yen die in the end and kept the exact same story going.
Yen and Geralt dying isn’t really canon. I’ll be the first to admit that the storyline ends weird as shite, but the ambiguity can absolutely be interpreted that Ciri whisked them away to convalesce in some weird alternate world.
To be clear, this strengthens your overall point, but I just wanted to note that.
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:11 pm to Joshjrn
It has been a long time since I read lady of the lake so youre probably right. Tbh I found that the worst book. The only scene that sticks out in my mind vividly to this day is the one between Geralt and Emyr where he wants to kill Geralt but ultimately doesnt
This part
This part
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Geralt recognizes Emhyr as Ciri's father, who married her mother Pavetta under the name Duny,[N 2] and realizes "Duny's" death was faked. To produce Ciri's prophesied child and save the world, Emhyr plans to make her Empress and impregnate her. Since Geralt recognizes him and Yennefer knows the genealogy, Emhyr means to execute them to keep the incest secret, but grants them the option of committing suicide together. As they prepare to do so, Ciri interrupts them, because Emhyr changed his mind and left after Ciri's tears over losing the only loving parents she had known.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 12/14/24 at 3:56 am to Joshjrn
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Yen and Geralt dying isn’t really canon. I’ll be the first to admit that the storyline ends weird as shite, but the ambiguity can absolutely be interpreted that Ciri whisked them away to convalesce in some weird alternate world.
To be clear, this strengthens your overall point, but I just wanted to note that.
The epilogue of a season of storms seems pretty clear he didnt die
Posted on 12/14/24 at 4:42 am to Corinthians420
In the book they refer to it as they were taken to avilon, before ciri and the friend she’s telling the story to leave for Camelot. Given the heavy Arthurian imagery her I always sort of thought they were either passed onto whatever purgatory state that universe has or ciris super powers created a little pocket dimension for them to be neither alive nor dead. This is basically what the games go for as the wild hunt is responsible for drawing them off
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:05 am to Corinthians420
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The epilogue of a season of storms seems pretty clear he didnt die
Granted, but that epilogue is some bizarre meta insanity, so I try to avoid citing to it when possible
Posted on 12/14/24 at 3:08 pm to skrayper
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then you could tell a story with Yennifer or Triss
That didn't work out so well for netflix.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:06 am to TideSaint
Oof, big “modern audiences” vibe from that trailer.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:28 am to td01241
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Same. I just really really hope it isn’t a bait and switch. CDPR have not actually produced anything of poor quality or woke or preachy or bait and switch or etc.
In this day and age, any media with a female and/or minority protagonist is going to get labeled as "woke" even if it's not. Lest we forget, plenty of games were released before 2016 that had strong female/minority leads, but it's just the social climate we live in today.
It's absolutely the agenda-driven bad writing that has lead people to be skeptical of these things though.
All that being said, to say CDPR has not produced anything poor quality or "bait and switch" is false. Both The Witcher 1 and the Witcher 2 required an "Enhanced Edition" in order to fix a myriad of issues that plagued both games. Witcher 3 was riddled with bugs and poor performance when it first launched.
Cyberpunk is literally the poster child for poor quality bait and switch when you compare reviews and gameplay footage to the actual state of the game at launch.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:45 am to BulldogXero
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In this day and age, any media with a female and/or minority protagonist is going to get labeled as "woke" even if it's not. Lest we forget, plenty of games were released before 2016 that had strong female/minority leads, but it's just the social climate we live in today.
Your main market of players is gonna be boys who if they were able to create a playable character, would make the biggest, baddest character that looked the most like themselves.
I doubt even 40 year old female gamers would make a character that looks like a 40 year old woman.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 12:55 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Your main market of players is gonna be boys who if they were able to create a playable character, would make the biggest, baddest character that looked the most like themselves.
Wouldn't most people rather play as a pre-made character so they can have a personality?
Does anyone really enjoy playing a mute Skyrim-like character over someone like Geralt, Joel, Ellie, Kratos, Atreus, Aloy, Lara Croft?
Having a custom protagonist basically removes half the story.
Part of what made Death Stranding so great is the performance of Norman Reedus as Sam Bridges
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 1:57 pm to Corinthians420
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Does anyone really enjoy playing a mute Skyrim-like character over someone like Geralt, Joel, Ellie, Kratos, Atreus, Aloy, Lara Croft?
Having a custom protagonist basically removes half the story.
I partially agree. On the other side, you have what Bioware did with Sheppard from Mass Effect. Customized character with a focused story.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:36 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Mass Effect certainly did it the best with male and female Shepard. He still didn't feel as alive as some of the characters I mentioned but that method definitely has potential.
Baldurs Gate 3 executed custom lead characters pretty well too
Baldurs Gate 3 executed custom lead characters pretty well too
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:16 pm to Corinthians420
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Your main market of players is gonna be boys who if they were able to create a playable character, would make the biggest, baddest character that looked the most like themselves.
Wouldn't most people rather play as a pre-made character so they can have a personality?
Does anyone really enjoy playing a mute Skyrim-like character over someone like Geralt, Joel, Ellie, Kratos, Atreus, Aloy, Lara Croft?
Having a custom protagonist basically removes half the story.
Part of what made Death Stranding so great is the performance of Norman Reedus as Sam Bridges
Thats not my point. My point is that middle aged Ciri is a terrible playable character for the majority of those who would be attracted to a Witcher 4 game
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:22 pm to scottydoesntknow
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My point is that middle aged Ciri is a terrible playable character for the majority of those who would be attracted to a Witcher 4 game
I would think the majority of Witcher fans would choose to play as ciri over anyone besides Geralt.
Her and Geralt are by far the 2 most important characters followed by Yen and Dandelion
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:24 pm to TideSaint
idk Geralt always seemed to think becoming a witcher was a bad thing that happened to him. He can’t have a family
and is generally shunned by society.
idk why he’d want that for Ciri.
from a game stand point, I want to play as the same character i’ve been playing as and don’t want to play as Ciri. I wouldn’t want to play as Atreaus in a. God of War game either.
But i generally prefer RPGs where I can make characters that all basically look just like me.
and is generally shunned by society.
idk why he’d want that for Ciri.
from a game stand point, I want to play as the same character i’ve been playing as and don’t want to play as Ciri. I wouldn’t want to play as Atreaus in a. God of War game either.
But i generally prefer RPGs where I can make characters that all basically look just like me.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:27 pm to SammyTiger
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idk Geralt always seemed to think becoming a witcher was a bad thing that happened to him.
This isnt really true. From a book perspective I would say hes pretty neutral on it, from the game perspective hes far more high on it. Lambert takes the role of really hating he was taken cuz his drunk dad got saved had no choice etc. There is a literal scene about this when youre at Kaer Morhan getting ready for the trial of the grasses and the two of them are powering up the elements thing. Geralt has a line proclaiming it was their destiny in the context they should embrace it.
What is pretty fascinating about the novels is how much of Geralts direct internal monologue we are witness to. He definitely does not hate being a witcher. He might not love it either. He thinks often about philosophy and other things and at times what else he couldve been and usually he just ends up id be a witcher.
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But i generally prefer RPGs where I can make characters that all basically look just like me.
Depends what kind of game it is. There is a reason Fromsoft can kill it everytime with character creation. It is how they tell their stories. If youre telling a traditional narrative a fixed protagonist is always without fail going to be better
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:38 pm to Corinthians420
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My point is that middle aged Ciri is a terrible playable character for the majority of those who would be attracted to a Witcher 4 game
I would think the majority of Witcher fans would choose to play as ciri over anyone besides Geralt.
Her and Geralt are by far the 2 most important characters followed by Yen and Dandelion
Im one of the biggest Witcher fans on this site, have read the series through multiple times. I think Ciri's story was wrapped up fine. I want a new story in a different time with a different setting and different characters.
I dont need the video game to continue their story in perpetuity...especially when it breaks lore. Playing as a different witcher in a different time would be just fine to me.
We know why YOU like it. Its no secret you are some tranny uber leftist weirdo who loves anything feminist.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:42 pm to scottydoesntknow
I like it because Ciri's story in W3 was really good, and I got the ending where she becomes a witcher the first time through and this is a good continuation.
CDPR did much better on the witcher games where you play as Geralt than they did on Cyberpunk where you created your own character.
There's nothing feminist about playing as Ciri, it's weird that you interpret it that way. Was Thronebreaker also feminist because you play as Meve?
CDPR did much better on the witcher games where you play as Geralt than they did on Cyberpunk where you created your own character.
There's nothing feminist about playing as Ciri, it's weird that you interpret it that way. Was Thronebreaker also feminist because you play as Meve?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:42 pm to scottydoesntknow
These people don’t understand Ciri was the deuteragonist and really became the main character from book 4 until the games start with Witcher 1. Her story and Geralts story are the same story. They’re finished and wrapped up in a very satisfying way idk why they would tempt fate to frick that up
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:45 pm to td01241
Geralts story is finished and wrapped up I agree, but Ciri's was just beginning. She was still a young girl when the last game ended, Geralt is over 100 years old.
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