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re: Choke rankings.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:45 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:45 am to iwyLSUiwy
The missed putts are one thing, but pulling 7 iron on 15 and driver on 18 were the mentally weak spots. I think a mentally present golfer that doesn’t let the moment cloud then makes the right club choices there. It wasn’t some secret. The announcers pre shot were saying 8 iron and 3 wood were the plays for him
Having a weak caddie also is a poor choice for Rory. Any caddie worth any salt would have seen the absolutely nuked drive on 13 and known adrenaline was flowing. 7 iron on 15 was so easily the wrong play
Having a weak caddie also is a poor choice for Rory. Any caddie worth any salt would have seen the absolutely nuked drive on 13 and known adrenaline was flowing. 7 iron on 15 was so easily the wrong play
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:07 pm to lsupride87
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Having a weak caddie also is a poor choice for Rory. Any caddie worth any salt would have seen the absolutely nuked drive on 13 and known adrenaline was flowing. 7 iron on 15 was so easily the wrong play
This is what I think is missed in all of this. Hitting a 7 iron that he flushed btw was a complete error on his caddie. It's an 8 iron no matter what. NLU was talking about his ball flight, it's the club choice that is incorrect.
He also hit 3 wood on 18 I believe daily. He could have hit 3 wood or iron off the tee and have nothing more than a 8/9 iron into that green. Anyone who has played any sort of competitive golf know things speed up super fast. Why they all talk about walking slower and controlled breathing etc.
Diamond should have stepped up and said hey, slow down 3 wood is the play and par is a good score. Just like missing with a 8 iron instead of a 7 iron on the par 3
I know he is the one that hits said shot and also missed those putts. Rory deserves what he's getting today and last night. But, caddies also play a key role for high level players which is why they are paid accordingly. He hasn't won a major w/Diamond on his bag and I don't think that's a coincidence for what he needs in big spots
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:09 pm to Tigerfan19
quote:Its worse than that. He hit 3 wood the previous two days and had 130 in
He also hit 3 wood on 18 I believe daily. He could have hit 3 wood or iron off the tee and have nothing more than a 8/9 iron into that green. Anyone who has played any sort of competitive golf know things speed up super fast. Why they all talk about walking slower and controlled breathing etc
That’s a wedge…..
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:23 pm to lsupride87
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The missed putts are one thing, but pulling 7 iron on 15 and driver on 18 were the mentally weak spots. I think a mentally present golfer that doesn’t let the moment cloud then makes the right club choices there. It wasn’t some secret.
Good debate about this on the Golf Channel post-tournament show last night. Paul McGinley argued that Rory's choke was all in his head the last three holes. Brandel Chamblee argued the old Tom Watson line of "the best way to avoid pressure is to never let it build in the first place" and that Rory's altered swing, club choices, and shot-making were his downfall long before the putter ever came out of the bag.
Interesting discussion. I think the caddie angle is another great point.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:24 pm to lsupride87
My apologies, if he hits iron on the tee he has that to the green.
probably a gap wedge/50 degree. Another reason he needs to move on from his current caddie. Take the club go hide it behind LaCava, here you go hit 3 iron and wedge make par.
probably a gap wedge/50 degree. Another reason he needs to move on from his current caddie. Take the club go hide it behind LaCava, here you go hit 3 iron and wedge make par.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:25 pm to lsupride87
quote:Pros don’t always listen to caddies.
Any caddie worth any salt would have seen the absolutely nuked drive on 13 and known adrenaline was flowing. 7 iron on 15 was so easily the wrong play
I was at the PGA and Ray Floyd hit it in the rough right by me. It’s 8-9” stuff and you couldn’t see it if you weren’t standing on it.
Caddy pulls out a wedge so he can chop it back to the fairway. Ray asks for the 3-wood, caddy tells him there’s no way he can get it out with that, chop it out and try and make par. Ray says and I quote “who’s the fricking pro here you or me?” So caddy hands him the 3-wood, stands over next to me, still has the wedge in his hand. Ray swings, ball might have went 5 feet, still in the rough.
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:29 pm to lsupride87
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The missed putts are one thing, but pulling 7 iron on 15 and driver on 18 were the mentally weak spots. I think a mentally present golfer that doesn’t let the moment cloud then makes the right club choices there. It wasn’t some secret. The announcers pre shot were saying 8 iron and 3 wood were the plays for him
Yea I mean it's an issue. For 10 years now it's like there's always one thing he is going to screw up. I think I still chalk it up to the putts hurting the worst. I mean look at the bad shots Bryson made coming down the stretch as well, he just scrambled well and made some clutch putts that made up for them. Rory tried to baby that downhill left to righter instead of just confidently banging it in. That's not the moment to try and baby a putt in. Just had no confidence in a short putt in a crucial moment. Soft.
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Having a weak caddie also is a poor choice for Rory. Any caddie worth any salt would have seen the absolutely nuked drive on 13 and known adrenaline was flowing. 7 iron on 15 was so easily the wrong play
I don't know much about their relationship. Rory isn't really a guy that takes a lot of input from his caddie right? He's nothing like Jack Nicklaus who kind of famously said he likes his caddie to do three things: Show up, keep up, and shut up. But it seems he is more towards the not have his caddie involved in as much as opposed to the caddie is like a partner type relationship/guy that's going to be reading greens and talking you out of irons.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to SligoTiger
Brandel's point is mute imo as most of his points.
Guy started 3 shots behind Bryson, climbed all the way to 8 under with the same swing.
The iron shot he hit on the par 3 wasn't a bad shot fk it hit middle of the green. It's the wrong club even the announcers knew it.
He was 4th in GIR for the week and 3rd in Fairways hit.
I would think the iron shot on 5 that was a great ball that was a foot from being 10ft for eagle that turned into a bogey was also forgotten.
Anyway, Paul is right will be interesting to see if he ever bounces back from this. Xander bounced back and won the week after he was run down. Bryson won the next major he played after coming so close.
Not sure if Rory has that in him. Only time will tell. But, I think a caddy switch wouldn't hurt in the slightest
Guy started 3 shots behind Bryson, climbed all the way to 8 under with the same swing.
The iron shot he hit on the par 3 wasn't a bad shot fk it hit middle of the green. It's the wrong club even the announcers knew it.
He was 4th in GIR for the week and 3rd in Fairways hit.
I would think the iron shot on 5 that was a great ball that was a foot from being 10ft for eagle that turned into a bogey was also forgotten.
Anyway, Paul is right will be interesting to see if he ever bounces back from this. Xander bounced back and won the week after he was run down. Bryson won the next major he played after coming so close.
Not sure if Rory has that in him. Only time will tell. But, I think a caddy switch wouldn't hurt in the slightest
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Rory’s previous caddy could be seen talking to him throughout
Harry Diamond is simply a very close friend that carries the bag
Harry Diamond is simply a very close friend that carries the bag
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:36 pm to Tigerfan19
quote:Rory was physically sobbing crying after the loss at the British open. He has followed that up with two majors in which he finished 2nd with leads on Sunday
nyway, Paul is right will be interesting to see if he ever bounces back from this. Xander bounced back and won the week after he was run down. Bryson won the next major he played after coming so close. Not sure if Rory has that in him. Only time will tell. But, I think a caddy switch wouldn't hurt in the slightest
I don’t think questioning whether or not he will bounce back is fair. And that’s coming from someone dogging his performance yesterday
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I don't know much about their relationship. Rory isn't really a guy that takes a lot of input from his caddie right? He's nothing like Jack Nicklaus who kind of famously said he likes his caddie to do three things: Show up, keep up, and shut up. But it seems he is more towards the not have his caddie involved in as much as opposed to the caddie is like a partner type relationship/guy that's going to be reading greens and talking you out of irons.
Him and Harry grew up playing together, been friends for life.
I think he switched from JP b/c he wanted to own his game more. JP has what 5 majors with Brooks since him n Rory split and Rory has 0
Sometimes golfers lose that mental presence right, which is why a good caddie gets you back in that head space. In my opinion, why not switch what's the worse that happens you don't win another major. Been that way for a 10 yr stretch anyway with a few close calls.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:40 pm to Tigerfan19
quote:Brother man Rory’s old caddie isn’t with Brooks
JP has what 5 majors with Brooks since him n Rory split and Rory has 0
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:43 pm to Tigerfan19
I can see both sides, but in the end I can't get past Rory being, what, 6 feet aggregate in two putts from slamming the door shut?
You have to close when it's all laid out in front of you, no matter what kind of sh*thouse driving and iron shots got you there (as Bryson demonstrated).
You have to close when it's all laid out in front of you, no matter what kind of sh*thouse driving and iron shots got you there (as Bryson demonstrated).
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:44 pm to SligoTiger
It’s kinda weird if Rory makes the two short putts the narrative would be Bryson choked as well shooting over par and spraying the ball all over the course. Wild how brysons narrative would be completely different based on the actions of someone else
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:00 pm to makersmark1
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Me at member-member fourth flight.
That can be cutthroat for sure.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:36 pm to lsupride87
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Brother man Rory’s old caddie isn’t with Brook
Lol whoops. Disregard. Got him confused w Rickey
My mistake, too many Millas on Father's day
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:49 pm to BRsundog
Norman...to go from a six stroke lead to losing by 5 f. For a player that held #1 for so long... That's the biggest choke job of all time
The French guy at the Open.... That was bad but, a journeyman trying to win a major is a bit different
The French guy at the Open.... That was bad but, a journeyman trying to win a major is a bit different
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:44 pm to SligoTiger
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I can see both sides, but in the end I can't get past Rory being, what, 6 feet aggregate in two putts from slamming the door shut?
You have to close when it's all laid out in front of you, no matter what kind of sh*thouse driving and iron shots got you there (as Bryson demonstrated).
Kind of look at it this way. You tell Rory that he would win a major by doing one of three things: 1) Hit a fairway with a 3 wood, 2) Hit the green with an 8 iron, or 3) make two 3 foot putts. Which would he choose? He'd take the putts every time. If the poster from earlier that showed Rory's 3 foot and inside stat is correct, he's 99.% on inside 3 feet, he's not 99% on hitting fairways with a three wood or a green with a 7 iron. People are going to remember those putts.
He's too good not to bounce back, but this one is going to give him nightmares for a while.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:38 pm to lsupride87
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But missing a 2’5” and 3’9” putt on holes 16 and 18 is all time bad
I think the drive and the chip on 18 were more to blame than the putt. He left himself a 4’ downhill slider with tons of nerves on it. Put that 4’ going back uphill and he likely drills it.
DeChambeau had a pretty bad 3 putt on 15 also.
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And it’s not like it was because his putter was cold. His putter was red hot. So it shows he choked completely.
I feel like that shows he statistically came back down to earth. He hit multiple 20 foot bombs over the final round. His putting just came back down to earth. Tee shots on 17 and 18 just made his life so much harder.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 7:28 pm to lsupride87
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It’s kinda weird if Rory makes the two short putts the narrative would be Bryson choked as well shooting over par and spraying the ball all over the course. Wild how brysons narrative would be completely different based on the actions of someone else
Yup. My son and I said before they launched on Sunday that all Bryson had to do was shoot -1 and no one could catch him. He left the door open for someone to run him down with his driver play.
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