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Expected timeline for LIV Golf's OWGR Application?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:43 pm
Edit: it's not included on this week's owgr event list & probably won't happen anytime soon since I've realized how long the process takes.
It's been 8 weeks since the OWGR chairman announced that they received the application from LIV Golf on July 6. Surely, some information would have been leaked by now if we were going to get an announcement before LIV Boston.
It's been 8 weeks since the OWGR chairman announced that they received the application from LIV Golf on July 6. Surely, some information would have been leaked by now if we were going to get an announcement before LIV Boston.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:24 pm
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:59 pm to lsufb1912
The main voters are against LIV.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:08 pm to BallChamp00
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The main voters are against LIV.
Like letting Becky sit at the lunch table. Bunch of bitches. It's professional golf, you can not like it all day long, doesn't matter
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:14 pm to BallChamp00
I don’t think so. Outside of the 8 people on OWGR governing board, I’m not sure anyone really knows how their application review process even works - does it simply come down to 8 votes?
I just find it hard to believe that young players like Niemann/Wolff/etc would be making a move if they don’t have confidence in being able to get OWGR pts outside of playing in majors.
I just find it hard to believe that young players like Niemann/Wolff/etc would be making a move if they don’t have confidence in being able to get OWGR pts outside of playing in majors.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:16 pm to lsufb1912
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I just find it hard to believe that young players like Niemann/Wolff/etc would be making a move if they don’t have confidence in being able to get OWGR pts outside of playing in majors.
I think it either gets points or it dies. If it dies, these guys will be let back in. It'll be a big to do for a while, but you don't have 10-15 of the best golfers in the world sitting on the sidelines because you are mad at them.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I don’t think there’s any chance guys who are already over there will be on the pga tour again. The pga tour has drawn a really hard line on this and the big guns like tiger, Rory, etc back it.
ETA: the tour may tell them they can try to qualify again. That’s the only chance I can see.
ETA: the tour may tell them they can try to qualify again. That’s the only chance I can see.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I think it either gets points or it dies. If it dies, these guys will be let back in. It'll be a big to do for a while, but you don't have 10-15 of the best golfers in the world sitting on the sidelines because you are mad at them.
If LIV dies, I bet the tour sends them to purgatory for a bit. Make them wait until the current year is done then they can qualify for Korn Ferry through Q school. Then win their way back to tour.
Of course if the saudis want to burn a few billion a year they can keep it going as long as they want.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:30 pm to Swagga
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The pga tour has drawn a really hard line on this and the big guns like tiger, Rory, etc back it.
Rory has waffled back and forth at least 3 times I can think of. If LIV completely goes away in say 3 years, Cam Smith and Talor Gooch like 30, Neimman and Mito are sub 30, etc. They'll be back, the Tour will want the best players playing their tour, not holding them out. At some point the Tour becomes the bad guy in that situation.
Just my opinion of course
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:33 pm to BBONDS25
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If LIV dies, I bet the tour sends them to purgatory for a bit. Make them wait until the current year is done then they can qualify for Korn Ferry through Q school. Then win their way back to tour.
A lot of these guys are already exempt though. Could come down to this anti trust case or we may have more legal battles. Cam Smith is obviously exempt from the Players and Open win. Neimman won at Riv, I believe that's a longer exemption than the typical two years. I'm not sure if they'll resign or not, but the theory behind that is they aren't suspended because they resigned and their exemptions are still valid.
We'll see.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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A lot of these guys are already exempt though. Could come down to this anti trust case or we may have more legal battles
Agreed. But these legal battles will take years. I think, if LIV dies (big if), the pga tour allows a path back with the appropriate Mea Culpas and time spent playing Lake Charles and Broussard as punishment.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:54 pm to BBONDS25
Doesn't the OWGR application process for any new tour take a very long time? Like a year and a half or so, from what I've read. Why does LIV think they deserve special treatment to be fast tracked? Especially given their league set up is different from a traditional golf tour.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:11 pm to SoDakHawk
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Doesn't the OWGR application process for any new tour take a very long time? Like a year and a half or so, from what I've read. Why does LIV think they deserve special treatment to be fast tracked? Especially given their league set up is different from a traditional golf tour.
I don’t know. If that’s true then it’s all the more reason this stuff won’t be figured out for years.
I enjoy watching LIV. But I am concerned now (I wasn’t before) about the tour. Losing the number 2 player is big. I’m torn. I follow Korn Ferry every week, and I know they have some great players…I hope both leagues can co-exist. I think Monohan fricked this whole thing up. We will see.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:28 pm to SoDakHawk
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Doesn't the OWGR application process for any new tour take a very long time? Like a year and a half or so, from what I've read. Why does LIV think they deserve special treatment to be fast tracked?
I never said they do, nor do i think they deserve to be fast tracked. I simply didn’t understand the whole process & how long these things normally take. Safe to say lsupride didn’t either when he made his self ban from LIV talk?
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Routinely, the process for OWGR approval can take upwards of one to two years. The application is first reviewed by the 10-person OWGR technical committee, which would work with the applicant to resolve points of contention. Then consideration is taken up by the seven-member governing board that is comprised of representatives from the four major championships, the PGA Tour, the DP World Tour and a representative of the Federation Tours (Asian Tour, Australasian Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour).
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:31 pm to BBONDS25
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think Monohan fricked this whole thing up. We will
Agreed. The time for Monahan to open up his purse, make more marquee events, and guarantee a minimum salary was back at the beginning of the year after all the top players had their ‘solidarity’ meeting.
Waiting until after LIV gets some of your top talent just makes him look like an idiot and a liar.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:36 pm to CFDoc
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Waiting until after LIV gets some of your top talent just makes him look like an idiot and a liar.
Yep.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:42 pm to lsufb1912
What are the LIV qualifications for participation in one of the three tournaments? They don’t have any history or standards to point to as to how their tournament is qualified. In fact they’re single biggest point of qualification is players participation in other tours. They also play 54 holes and OWGR has stipulated that events need to be 72 holes. The strongest aspect of the PGA tour was how it attracted the best golfers on the planet who wanted to beat the best, so you knew that guys who won there were truly great players beating guys who were fighting tooth and nail just to stay eligible. It doesn’t appear that LIV values that kind of environment and it will be interesting to see if the LIV guys lose their edge and struggle in majors.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:45 pm to Big L
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They also play 54 holes and OWGR has stipulated that events need to be 72 holes.
54 hole events get points. Tiger's 18 man hero world challenge gets points. The Tour Championship gets points based on a leader board that doesn't decide who wins the tournament. WGC's have no cuts and get points.
Using the OWGR's "standards" as evidence as to why LIV shouldn't get points holds no water because they award points to events all over the world that don't meet several of said standards
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:49 pm to Big L
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They also play 54 holes and OWGR has stipulated that events need to be 72 holes.
True. But they have awarded points for 54 hole tournaments. Points for invitationals with no qualification standard, etc.
LIV’s problem is they have several elements outside of the normal process. However, OWGR has made exceptions for tourneys with at least one element outside of the normal process. As I said, there are good arguments on both sides.
The Anti trust suit, I think will inform what happens with OWGR.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
My mistake I guess I took something I heard on tv as correct regarding the 72 vs 54. What basis for the LIV tour have for earning points? They are a new league with no process for qualifying. They have paid extraordinary fees to a seemingly random group of players and have incredibly strong contracts with high levels of behavioral control. The fields are limited significantly compared to most professional events (again with no qualifying) and they reportedly may have made it impossible for some players to make money in the actual events until they have outearned their up-front bonuses. None of this sounds like a competition aimed t finding the best golfers, do how does anyone make sense of how to rate it? If nothing else it’s going to take some time to sort out and do if fairly.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:20 pm to Big L
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they reportedly may have made it impossible for some players to make money in the actual events until they have outearned their up-front bonuses.
The Tour just did the same exact thing
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how does anyone make sense of how to rate it? If nothing else it’s going to take some time to sort out and do if fairly.
There's a formula that gives every sanctioned events its points. LIV would be no different. It has some of the best players in the world playing professional golf tournaments. It's really that simple. The Alps Tour gets world ranking points, but events with Dustin Johnson and Cam Smith and Joaquin Neimman and Bryson DeChambeau et all shouldn't?
I can't think of one reason other than "not liking it," whatever that means, for it not getting points
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None of this sounds like a competition aimed t finding the best golfers
But the Hero World Challenge, which is literally a hit and giggle, or the Tour Championship, which awards points without acknowledging its handicpaed does?
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 11:21 pm
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