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SIAP … Looking for insights to Stableford League Scoring
Posted on 1/5/26 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/5/26 at 2:59 pm
Anyone have experience with a Stableford League and the handicapping / points used? I’m in a casual league that uses a rotating 12-month system. You play 3 months to establish your points to pull. Ranges from 25 highest to an 11.
Our biggest issue is the top players seem to get screwed. Just had a player who only has to pull 16 shoot a +13. Is there a way to implement a sandbagging policy?
You should not be able to almost double your points. I’m a 25 and would have had to shoot 70 to tie him. My lowest ever is 73, but I average 80.6.
I realize that every-once-in-a-while, you have THAT day and you go low, but geeeeez, +13 is nuts.
Is there an app that might work? Excel script? Anyone ever try Squabbit? I think I saw where someone on this site uses it.
Our biggest issue is the top players seem to get screwed. Just had a player who only has to pull 16 shoot a +13. Is there a way to implement a sandbagging policy?
You should not be able to almost double your points. I’m a 25 and would have had to shoot 70 to tie him. My lowest ever is 73, but I average 80.6.
I realize that every-once-in-a-while, you have THAT day and you go low, but geeeeez, +13 is nuts.
Is there an app that might work? Excel script? Anyone ever try Squabbit? I think I saw where someone on this site uses it.
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Posted on 1/5/26 at 3:25 pm to mikedatyger
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Anyone ever try Squabbit?
Squabbit is awesome and will make tracking so much easier for you, but I am not sure it will create a different handicapping set up for you.
I am also a bit confused by your post. Are you mixing up Stableford and Quota? Stableford applies handicaps to each hole. Typically, getting over 36 points is a good day. Quota applies all the strokes at the beginning (like you mentioned). If I read your example right, the guy had a course handicap of 20, "has to pull 16" (meaning 36-20), and he somehow managed to earn 29 points. I've seen guys get close to double digits in quota, but never +13.
Also, when you say you are a 25, do you mean your course handicap is 9? 36-9 = 25. I would assume that is the case if you are averaging 80.
I just wanted to make sure I was understanding because some of the lexicon is jumbled in there. ETA: Just reread and realized you mentioned points to pull in your first paragraph. So, my mistake. You explained it correctly.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 1/5/26 at 3:34 pm to DestrehanTiger
Now that I think about it, I think Squabbit can update your handicap in the system based on rounds played. I would just look into ditching the 3 month window to establish caps and let it run the whole year. It makes sense that guys may blow away their quota when they could have just played poorly the first 3 months of the season. Let the system do the handicapping for you and if a guy somehow beats his quota by 181%, then his future rounds will reflect it. I've only ever played quota with ghin handicaps, so it was hard to blow away your quota.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/5/26 at 4:31 pm to mikedatyger
I recommend 50% adjustment after every round.
If 10 handicap had to get 26 points - he got 30. next round he's shooting at 28 + 2
That +13 player would now be shooting at + 7.5 from his original number
We use this on golf trips
If 10 handicap had to get 26 points - he got 30. next round he's shooting at 28 + 2
That +13 player would now be shooting at + 7.5 from his original number
We use this on golf trips
Posted on 1/5/26 at 4:56 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I am also a bit confused by your post.
Not sure how to describe it accurately. It's a very simple first Saturday of the month league. No GHIN usage, as most do not have a hdcp.
We have a rolling 12-month average of points pulled per month. When you start, you play 3 months to establish your POINTS and that is your even/level total.
Every 13th month, the 1st would drop off and you'd average the "new" twelve. So we play from Oct 2024 to Sept 2025.
The next Oct 2025 the first one (Oct 2024) drops off and you average the 12 months with the new round. Repeats every month.
We have been doing this for 25 years, so the "averages" are as good as the EXCEL sheet. :)
Yes, I am have a GHIN of 8.9 and have established my points at 25. Can go up or down a point, depending on what drops off. I pulled 31 points, so my total was +6.
The sandbagger only has to pull 16 and pulled 29 for a total of +13.
From what I understand, our league would be hard to regulate since not everyone has a hdcp.
It's a really fun league, but I feel like I am just donating to the pot every month.
Trying to find some way to make it more equitable. We do have skins and CTPs, so that helps as I had two each. :)
All About the Fun League
Posted on 1/5/26 at 4:57 pm to lagniappe09
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I recommend 50% adjustment after every round.
Interesting. Not sure how you would adjust for course difficulty (we play a different course every month) and for negative numbers – players who did not pull their points. I'll have to see how that works with our numbers. Thank you.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 1/5/26 at 5:15 pm to mikedatyger
That was a good explanation of the league, but now that you mentioned you play a different course every month, how do you keep the same pull no matter where you play? You mentioned that yours is 25. It wouldn't change based on the course rating?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 5:32 pm to DestrehanTiger
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It wouldn't change based on the course rating?
Nope. And that's probably the rub. As I mentioned, it's a very simple league and the "Commissioner" is not interested in deep dives, he just let's EXCEL calculate the rolling month and the "number is the number."
Yep, that's our league. The only consequence is you cannot win two times in a 12-month span. If you do, your points go up by how much you pulled. And you are stuck at that number for 3-months.
This is to limit someone who is on a hot-streak from taking all the money every month. So if this was the Sandbaggers second win, his points would go up by 13.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:27 pm to mikedatyger
Maybe this was mentioned before but why would the commissioner just not use the GHIN system and calculate off that? We play a Friday game and switch the games around every week and when we end up doing the Stableford game, we do 100% HDCP. That way, if a high handicaper gets a par on a hole, then he would get the birdie points. Alternatively, we also play a quota game where you take 36 minus your HDCP and that's the amount of points you have to pull for the week. Seems odd the commissioner wants to do the most basic way, which doesn't make it fair for everyone.
Regarding Squabbit, we use squabbit weekly for our Friday and Saturday games and it's great. For Friday, we use GHIN system to calculate the points and for Saturday our commissioner has kept a book for years' that gives each of us custom points. You can still use squabbit for this, you would just have to manually adjust the HDCP in squabbit to match the points required.
I'm pretty good with Squabbit by now, so if you're looking for something in particular, let me know and I may be able to help you figure it out.
Regarding Squabbit, we use squabbit weekly for our Friday and Saturday games and it's great. For Friday, we use GHIN system to calculate the points and for Saturday our commissioner has kept a book for years' that gives each of us custom points. You can still use squabbit for this, you would just have to manually adjust the HDCP in squabbit to match the points required.
I'm pretty good with Squabbit by now, so if you're looking for something in particular, let me know and I may be able to help you figure it out.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:04 am to CHiPs25
My group plays quota every weekend. Very similar to stableford. We recently changed our point values and it seems to have made it more fair. Triple bogey is - 1, double is 0, bogey is 1, par is 2pts,birdie is 3, eagle is 6. My quota currently is 35 points as I am a 1 handicap. Our winner is usually no more than about +3 or 4. We use golf Genius to keep track of everything.
I will note that my course has a really active handicap committee. We do not have many guys that are sandbaggers. Actually kind of the opposite. We have guys that are 3 and 4 handicaps that can't break 80.
I will note that my course has a really active handicap committee. We do not have many guys that are sandbaggers. Actually kind of the opposite. We have guys that are 3 and 4 handicaps that can't break 80.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/7/26 at 12:15 pm to AirbusDawg
We use similar scoring, except we have 4 for a birdie and 8 for an eagle. Our club wanted to charge us for the use of golf genius which is why we went with Squabbit. The one advantage to using golf genius is that it'll post the score automatically to GHIN where squabbit will not.
I have never used the golf genius on the backend, is it pretty custom where you can create any game that you want (like squabbit) or is it pretty standard on what it will allow?
I have never used the golf genius on the backend, is it pretty custom where you can create any game that you want (like squabbit) or is it pretty standard on what it will allow?
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:04 pm to AirbusDawg
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We have guys that are 3 and 4 handicaps that can't break 80
My brain does not compute this!
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:06 pm to CHiPs25
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I'm pretty good with Squabbit by now
So I set up our league. What do you do for players without handicaps? 95% of our group does NOT have hdcp. We all have “established” points. Will it work with that?
Posted on 1/7/26 at 4:19 pm to mikedatyger
If they don't have HDCP but you have an idea of how many points they need, then just subtract those points from 36 to get their Squabbit HDCP. For instance, if they need 15 points then you would put them as a 21 HDCP in Squabbit (36-15 = 21).
Posted on 1/7/26 at 4:40 pm to mikedatyger
Yeah, this will be tricky. There is also something you need to keep an eye on. When you play a round, if you click on the player, there is a toggle where you say if something counts towards handicap. If you want the handicaps to update after a round, keep that on, if not, turn it off.
I think this may be a situation where you need to put in some time to start to save you time later. You mentioned a guy having a spreadsheet. You should get that spreadsheet and put some formulas in for the slope and rating of the courses you are playing to have it calculate all the handicap differentials from past rounds. Then either use the GHIN formula for taking the best 8 out of 20 rounds, or just use average.
The more I think about it, the more I think you'll have a tough time with this. When you make an account on Squabbit, you can link your handicap to GHIN. I would imagine that is how most leagues keep track of everyone's caps. I realize that doesn't help you, but I am not sure of a way around this.
I think this may be a situation where you need to put in some time to start to save you time later. You mentioned a guy having a spreadsheet. You should get that spreadsheet and put some formulas in for the slope and rating of the courses you are playing to have it calculate all the handicap differentials from past rounds. Then either use the GHIN formula for taking the best 8 out of 20 rounds, or just use average.
The more I think about it, the more I think you'll have a tough time with this. When you make an account on Squabbit, you can link your handicap to GHIN. I would imagine that is how most leagues keep track of everyone's caps. I realize that doesn't help you, but I am not sure of a way around this.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/7/26 at 4:44 pm to DestrehanTiger
I just looked at the app. There are three options
Current Index - That uses the GHIN (not helpful for you) or it uses all the rounds recorded in Squabbit. That could get tricky when starting over. Maybe you can add rounds in from the past year to help it calculate
Fixed Index - You just input an index when starting. You can adjust as you go. That may be the simplest but also annoying option
League Events - This is probably the best option since it seems to match your method you use now. I would probably just put in the past 12 events, then roll with that.
ETA: Just saw at the bottom that you can import rounds from a spreadsheet. That could save you a lot of time by putting in past events. It says "The rounds imported will not count towards the league leaderboard, but can be used to establish each player's handicap from existing rounds."
Current Index - That uses the GHIN (not helpful for you) or it uses all the rounds recorded in Squabbit. That could get tricky when starting over. Maybe you can add rounds in from the past year to help it calculate
Fixed Index - You just input an index when starting. You can adjust as you go. That may be the simplest but also annoying option
League Events - This is probably the best option since it seems to match your method you use now. I would probably just put in the past 12 events, then roll with that.
ETA: Just saw at the bottom that you can import rounds from a spreadsheet. That could save you a lot of time by putting in past events. It says "The rounds imported will not count towards the league leaderboard, but can be used to establish each player's handicap from existing rounds."
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 1/7/26 at 5:46 pm to CHiPs25
Golf Genius allows you to set up different games.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 7:16 pm to AirbusDawg
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We have guys that are 3 and 4 handicaps that can't break 80
Course rating?
Slope?
It must be a beast IF a 3 can’t break 80.
Or I guess vanity handicap could be in play.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 7:57 pm to DestrehanTiger
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The more I think about it, the more I think you'll have a tough time with this.
This looks like a great app for leagues with hdcp's. I'm sure you can't substitute points for GHIN numbers. Hmmmm.
If the sandbagger wasn't such a big MOFO, we just beat him. He's former OPD SWAT.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:37 pm to mikedatyger
I feel like your league's rule about winning no more than twice sort of promotes sandbagging. If you already won twice, you may as well tank the other rounds. I wouldn't do it, but I could see some take that route.
I feel like removing that rule would remove the incentive to sandbag since all the rounds used for handicapping are in the league. Sandbagging is an issue for other tournaments where a guy plays a bunch of rounds leading up to the tournament to get his cap up before. For your league, though, all the scores are part of the league. So, it just doesn't make sense to sandbag unless it's due to that one rule.
I guess a guy can tank a round when he knows he has no shot at winning after a few holes. That is why the handicapping system uses 8/20 rounds rather than an average.
I feel like removing that rule would remove the incentive to sandbag since all the rounds used for handicapping are in the league. Sandbagging is an issue for other tournaments where a guy plays a bunch of rounds leading up to the tournament to get his cap up before. For your league, though, all the scores are part of the league. So, it just doesn't make sense to sandbag unless it's due to that one rule.
I guess a guy can tank a round when he knows he has no shot at winning after a few holes. That is why the handicapping system uses 8/20 rounds rather than an average.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 8:39 pm
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