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re: Micro Dosing Mushrooms
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:08 pm to lsu777
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:08 pm to lsu777
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yea lifting 3 to 4 days a week is an addiction
Brother, know this. You are an invaluable resource and asset to this forum. You have helped countless people. I respect you.
Hearing your history about your mother puts your comments in this thread into perspective. Just remember that everyone else here has there own history.
A man went from drinking a fifth a day to not or barely drinking.
You constantly refer to the meta. Well, the meta is pretty positive on this issue. Just like cold plunging. But it doesn’t fit your personal agenda or personal goals. So you willfully ignore it.
Health and fitness isn’t all about gains in the gym.
Again, I respect you and appreciate what you provide. And you seem like a good dude. But we all have our paths and struggles. Maybe lay back on the topics you aren’t interested in?
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:12 pm to lsu777
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after the day i have had, might have to do that, but alas i dont have a connect.
Sorry to hear that man. About your day I mean. Be well.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:13 am to lsu777
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lsu777
You're such a clown. Bow out of this topic you obviously have no clue about.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:03 am to Jerrysworld
Mindful medication once or twice a day at 10 minute sessions could probable deliver the same or better results without the risks associated with drug usage.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:33 am to Irregardless
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Brother, know this. You are an invaluable resource and asset to this forum. You have helped countless people. I respect you.
Hearing your history about your mother puts your comments in this thread into perspective. Just remember that everyone else here has there own history.
A man went from drinking a fifth a day to not or barely drinking.
You constantly refer to the meta. Well, the meta is pretty positive on this issue. Just like cold plunging. But it doesn’t fit your personal agenda or personal goals. So you willfully ignore it.
Health and fitness isn’t all about gains in the gym.
Again, I respect you and appreciate what you provide. And you seem like a good dude. But we all have our paths and struggles. Maybe lay back on the topics you aren’t interested in?
absolutely, like i said a couple times, really just giving people shite about it. I 100% dont get most things when it comes to addiction or mental health problems. if mushrooms keeps a man from drinking or keeps them from committing suicide have at it.
But i do think treating underlying problems instead of just symptoms is the better path
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:35 am to Sao
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You're such a clown. Bow out of this topic you obviously have no clue about.
yea im such a clown for saying that...hey instead of using drugs to treat a symptom and get through the day, maybe just maybe people should have some self perspective and step back and see what the actual problem is, not just the symptom and treat that instead of just treating the symptom.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:37 am to SlidellCajun
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Mindful medication once or twice a day at 10 minute sessions could probable deliver the same or better results without the risks associated with drug usage.
maybe, if one is taking mushrooms for mental health, prolly a step before using the drugs
as far as things like alcohol....and stopping drinking...i would say there are other ways but if this stops a man from drinking a bottle a day, prolly healthier. Not my thing for sure though.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:16 am to lsu777
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But i do think treating underlying problems instead of just symptoms is the better path
I was trying to explain earlier it did do that. Not sure it can be done on a "microdose" but a full trip you can fix some things that hold you back mentally and emotionally. Again, me personally, I don't take mushrooms every day, I don't have a set schedule but I'd guess on average 1-2 times a week, may go several weeks at times without it. That 1-2 times a week is just a small bite of one, no trip whatsoever. I'll eat a big bunch as I've said, once a month on average, sometimes I go 2-3 months w/o doing that. It hasn't been addicting. Wife "trips" 1-2 times a year, less than I do, but we will "trip" end of October and then I'll be almost out of mushrooms until the following year.
Just explaining I'm not replacing drinking and Xanax everyday with tripping on mushrooms everyday
That would defeat the purpose. Also, to me, it did fix my underlying problems, it wasn't a band-aid. But it' also fun to do occasionally, and I enjoy it. Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:22 am to Mushroom1968
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I was trying to explain earlier it did do that. Not sure it can be done on a "microdose" but a full trip you can fix some things that hold you back mentally and emotionally. Again, me personally, I don't take mushrooms every day, I don't have a set schedule but I'd guess on average 1-2 times a week, may go several weeks at times without it. That 1-2 times a week is just a small bite of one, no trip whatsoever. I'll eat a big bunch as I've said, once a month on average, sometimes I go 2-3 months w/o doing that. It hasn't been addicting. Wife "trips" 1-2 times a year, less than I do, but we will "trip" end of October and then I'll be almost out of mushrooms until the following year.
Just explaining I'm not replacing drinking and Xanax everyday with tripping on mushrooms everyday That would defeat the purpose. Also, to me, it did fix my underlying problems, it wasn't a band-aid. But it' also fun to do occasionally, and I enjoy it.
yea all good, i was speaking in general.
still dont think a family man should just be tripping balls either but to each their own.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:46 am to lsu777
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But i do think treating underlying problems instead of just symptoms is the better path
What if the underlying problem is a crisscrossed or disconnected wire in the brain, and the mushrooms help physically rewire it? Is that not treating the underlying problem? Some psychedelics create physical changes via neuroplasticity.
Source 1 - Towards an understanding of psychedelic-induced neuroplasticity
Source 2 - Psychedelics Promote Structural and Functional Neural Plasticity/
Source 3 - Psychedelics and Neuroplasticity: A Systematic Review Unraveling the Biological Underpinnings of Psychedelics
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 8:54 am
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:54 am to lsu777
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still dont think a family man should just be tripping balls either but to each their own.
Understandable but thread being about microdosing, you aren’t tripping balls microdosing. I’ve brought up tripping derailing the thread, so that’s my fault
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:13 am to lsu777
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maybe just maybe people should have some self perspective and step back and see what the actual problem is
if you’re scared of euphoric feelings and tapping into your consciousness, stay away from mushrooms
Would probably help with the trauma you carry from your mom.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 9:59 am to GynoSandberg
Same can be said of heroin
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:25 am to GynoSandberg
yea ill pass on shrooms, lsd, herion hell even weed. prefer to not live my life high. might have a drink once a month though.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:26 am to Tiger Ryno
I sort of bowed out of this thread earlier, because there seems to be a lot of confusion or crosstalk around different ways people are looking at use of psilocybin. Just to be clear:
1) Microdosing: taking a very small amount (subthreshold dose is clinical term) of a substance. This is most commonly done as just a personal choice without any supervising clinician overseeing the protocol.
2) Macrodose: clinical setting. Taking a larger dose that will produce hallucinogenic effects within a clinical setting. A licensed (or perhaps unlicensed) "guide" works with the person during their trip. This is where the studies on neuroplasticity are coming into play. The therapist is able to use the disassociated, psychedelic state to help the person examine their trauma or other mental health issues. This has huge potential and is becoming much more common.
3) Macrodose: thereapeutic, home setting. This is, once again, someone wanting to work on themselves, but they're going to undertake the work on their own. They can still use it to look at those underlying issues. They can still have a "good time" (thought they may also have a very bad time), but they're attempting to use the substance for self-improvement.
4) Macrodose: recreational. They just want to trip. Once again, they may get some benefits. They may have a good time. THey may also have a bad time.
The neuroplasticity is interesting, and you're kind of getting a bunch of unicorns and rainbows, and psychedelics can do no wrong propaganda here, but they can also be dangerous for the very reason they're great. They can rewire the brain and cause some damage. Underlying issues or predisposition toward mental health issues can come to the forefront. And if someone is in a recreational setting without a "guide" then it can lead to a real bad time and cause possible mental health issues down the road (when people talk about "flashbacks" from psychedelics, they're usually having a panic/anxiety attack from a bad trip and the PTSD associated with a bad trip).
1) Microdosing: taking a very small amount (subthreshold dose is clinical term) of a substance. This is most commonly done as just a personal choice without any supervising clinician overseeing the protocol.
2) Macrodose: clinical setting. Taking a larger dose that will produce hallucinogenic effects within a clinical setting. A licensed (or perhaps unlicensed) "guide" works with the person during their trip. This is where the studies on neuroplasticity are coming into play. The therapist is able to use the disassociated, psychedelic state to help the person examine their trauma or other mental health issues. This has huge potential and is becoming much more common.
3) Macrodose: thereapeutic, home setting. This is, once again, someone wanting to work on themselves, but they're going to undertake the work on their own. They can still use it to look at those underlying issues. They can still have a "good time" (thought they may also have a very bad time), but they're attempting to use the substance for self-improvement.
4) Macrodose: recreational. They just want to trip. Once again, they may get some benefits. They may have a good time. THey may also have a bad time.
The neuroplasticity is interesting, and you're kind of getting a bunch of unicorns and rainbows, and psychedelics can do no wrong propaganda here, but they can also be dangerous for the very reason they're great. They can rewire the brain and cause some damage. Underlying issues or predisposition toward mental health issues can come to the forefront. And if someone is in a recreational setting without a "guide" then it can lead to a real bad time and cause possible mental health issues down the road (when people talk about "flashbacks" from psychedelics, they're usually having a panic/anxiety attack from a bad trip and the PTSD associated with a bad trip).
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:29 am to BottomlandBrew
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What if the underlying problem is a crisscrossed or disconnected wire in the brain, and the mushrooms help physically rewire it? Is that not treating the underlying problem? Some psychedelics create physical changes via neuroplasticity.
no agree that psychedelics like lsd and shrooms may have a lot of healing powers or powers in the brain...i also think they are extremely dangerous due to so many unknowns.
maybe i am wrong and there arent that many unknowns and there is a whole community i am unaware of that is harm reduction and gives advice, similar to bodybuilding boards and steroids. I honestly have no clue.
but i would be careful suggesting normal people just take it.
if it makes you feel better, i usually say the same about steroids and trt. i just believe in systematic approaches to things.....if that systematic approach(i think you have take a similar approach) leads to the use of psychedelics by someone extremely educated on the subject....fine.
btw thank you for the links. ill try to read some over next couple of days.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:34 am to Tiger Ryno
DARE really got ya if you’re equating heroin and coke to mushrooms
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:48 pm to Mushroom1968
What do you know about association of strong serotonin 2B receptor drugs like psilocybin and valvular heart disease? Might would have to be microdose for many months or years.
I find a high tolerance even every seven days. I like .75 to a gram, feels like intoxication level of a couple beers.
Modernity has denatured us, and even a low-dose like this forces you out of influence and makes your address the reverence of the present moment, and awe of reality and nature.
Of course, change can be facilitated without substances, but it cannot be done by yourself. It has to be an extrinsic intervention, whether that’s reading, learning, applying, or the influence of others, etc..
The current intrigue with psilocybin is that it it’s like the modern state of things, an easy fix. but it’s ironic because the affect is the opposite of the approach. Not sure how to best say it, It’s like an easy fix that makes you intolerant to easy fixes. A “new to us” technology that gets us away from technology.
I find a high tolerance even every seven days. I like .75 to a gram, feels like intoxication level of a couple beers.
Modernity has denatured us, and even a low-dose like this forces you out of influence and makes your address the reverence of the present moment, and awe of reality and nature.
Of course, change can be facilitated without substances, but it cannot be done by yourself. It has to be an extrinsic intervention, whether that’s reading, learning, applying, or the influence of others, etc..
The current intrigue with psilocybin is that it it’s like the modern state of things, an easy fix. but it’s ironic because the affect is the opposite of the approach. Not sure how to best say it, It’s like an easy fix that makes you intolerant to easy fixes. A “new to us” technology that gets us away from technology.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:22 pm to hogfly
quote:.5g of mushrooms or of psilocybin? If the former, that is WAY bigger than a microdose.
So like .5 gram or so of psilocybin
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:26 pm to lsu777
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Yea I don’t get this…like how bad are peoples life’s that they have to live in constant high? Wtf are y’all using the mushrooms for?
This shite has nothing to do with health or fitness. And it’s fricking weird as frick imo
Highly ironic hot take coming from you. The ENTIRE point of micro-dosing is that it's sub-perceptual - i.e. NOT to get high.
But:
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like how bad are peoples life’s
Sometimes pretty bad.
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his shite has nothing to do with health or fitness.
wut In one post, you are radically devaluing the history of all your posts here. quote:Taking a daily supplement of a naturally growing organic is "weird as frick"? LOFL Someone should consolidate a list of all the insane compounds/substances/chemicals you routinely recommend people to frick around with.
And it’s fricking weird as frick imo
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